F18C without being the mlu is still 14.0 without aim120C, without A2G weapons and without HMD, why is this plane still 14.0?
The same for the j11A which is the worst 13.7 in the game, why doesn’t it go to 13.3?
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Maybe because of their sin that they weren’t major. :/
I am sure that we will going to see replys that ‘HMD does not matter’. :(
I never understand the J-11A. Because R-27ER/ET/R-73 are superior to the R-77.
Cause the J-11A is balanced at 13.7.
Just because F-15, J-11B, and Su-27SM are under-BR’d doesn’t mean every other jet is over-BR’d.
No, they’re not.
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Mr. Alvis, i still don’t see any reason on why you would want to see those 3 planes that you just listed, which are perfectly balanced at their current brs, up to 14.0.
and if you really wanted them at 14.0, then yiu would have to move the current 14.0’s up to 14.3 at least.
also you still haven’t answered to the last message i sent you in dms regarding why the J11B is perfectly fine at 13.7.
Their equals are currently 14.0 and almost all 13.7s are drastically inferior to them.
If the current 14.0s moved up to 14.3, the aircraft I mentioned would also have to move up to 14.3.
F-15E is the worst dogfighter above 13.0, and is 14.0 because of the F-15’s capabilities which.
The Typhoon’s the best dogfighter in the game, and is 14.0 because of its F-15C like acceleration along with its airframe performance.
Rafale is the 2nd best dogfighter in the game and that’s the reason why it’s 14.0 with its kit.
J-11B is a top-10 dogfighter with a great radar, good amount of countermeasures, and 6x4 missile loadout.
Gaijin just hates Swedish air, so there’s that. The first Finnish F-18 should not have been in the game, they should have given us the MLU-2. Secondly, the MLU-2 variant should have been a folder vehicle, because why the hell should I have to invest 420k into the same plane, but with bombs that should have been there in the first place.
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Their equals are scattered across the entire bracket
No it is not
Which? Is it because they are found at 13.7? Well it certainly wouldn’t be because the only thing F15C is kinda good at is bvr, and the 15E is superior to it in the only thing it does well at.
Also mind you, the 15C is currently the worst dogfighter out of any f15 variant.
Not at all
J10 is a better dogfighter, and it also has a better radar, as well as having more and arguably better Fox-2’s to choose from.
All of this while carrying slightly less countermeasures and 2 less missiles, having a 6+2 loadout which is found on the eurofighter, so should it go to 14.0 as well?
As far as im concerned, J10 and J11B are pretty much equals or sidegrades of each other.
Should they both go to 14.0 without much sense or staying at 13.7 where they are actually balanced?
You are actually the first person ever that i see claiming these planes should go to 14.0, like actually.
and if you wanted those specific vehicles to be uptiered, them you would have to upgrade them in some way.
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lol It sustains better than F-15E while pulling harder because it weighs 4 tons less than the F-15E.
PL-8Bs are superior to PL-5EIIs.
The J-10A is slightly worse at sustained turns due to lower TWR for the wing design used, acceleration, and radar.
J-11B is pure upgrade over J-11A and J-10A.
Also F-15E did finally become better than F-15C this major update: AIM-120Cs. Worse airframe that flies faster for AIM-120Cs.
Though the JM has AAM-4s so…
wrong
and yes it does pull harder, but apparently it also pulls harder than J11B.
also wrong, Pl5EII has less drag and better acceleration, as well as better battery life but that’s less relevant.
It is worse at sustained turn rate, and yet it is still objectively a better dogfighter than any flanker currently in game, also no J10 actually has better acceleration up to 800kph from which the J11B starts to take over, all of this while also being much MUCH less draggy than the J11B.
Also, from what i’ve seen, the majority if not all dogfights that occur in arb always end up at slowspeeds, the same speeds in which the superior STR you speak so highly about is rendered useless, and the same speeds in which the J10 stomps on the J11B because of it’s objectively superior low speeds performance.
It might have an edge in sim, where you can actually use the sustained to it’s full extenct but the ability of the J10 to just sit in your circle basically forever is not to be underestimated.
and the gimbal alone, makes the J10’s radar better.
It was already better before, and the 120C adds nothing substantial compared to the earlier amraam variants.
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@Farlexgamer_psn
Your post’s screenshot has reduced the fuel load of F-15E to give it advantage.
And here’s with 33 minutes of fuel:
Your post misrepresented Statshark, and now it contains false claims about J-10As acceleration.
J-10A’s acceleration is 6 seconds slower than J-11B’s both with full missile load, which means J-11B has 2 more missiles.
Parity fuel is the left numbers for J-11B. It out-accelerates at all ranges.
0 - mach 1.5, 0 - 10,000 meters, 0 - 1000kph.
No i have not
I rerrunned the test, both planes are min fuel, 110% throttle and no additional weight
no it has not
Default values, both planes are at min fuel, full afterburner and start at 0 m/s at 100 meters of altitude
The results are the same
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Which means the F-15E is running less fuel in your screenshot.
No one made false-accusations against you. Your post is not you, and I apologize if I made any typing errors that made you think otherwise.
F-15E carries less fuel than F-15C on minimum fuel due to the superior engines of F-15E.
Thus you need to increase F-15E’s fuel percentage to 37% to match F-15C’s minimum fuel.
This shows it rather well:
Using same percentile of fuel is misrepresenting data, and I’d implore that you learn fuel consumption rates to better represent the data.
You’re wasting time arguing with Alvis
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Our conversation then continued in dms, and he still has to reply to my last message
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