screw this thing
remove its SAP as well and make into a real AA
Whining that a 30mm Autocannon can rip through a lightly armored sideplate is silly beyond belief. It shouldn’t be surprising that your side on early MBT is gonna get torn apart by an Anti-Aircraft cannon; you got flanked and should be punished.
The Falcon is strong, no doubt, but I swear people treat it like the boogieman. It’s practically made of cardboard and still slow for its weight, so just shoot the damn thing anywhere. There are significantly more problematic SPAA than the Falcon, such as the Gepard and ItPsV.
All whining about the Falcon does in 2026 is show people that you rush SPAA, thinking they’re a free kill, or get mad when you’re ambushed or flanked. Just get better and stop blaming 30mm APDS. I haven’t even died to a falcon in actual years.
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Not to be a dick or anything, but this is 100% your own fault. You like to play lightly armored tanks at that BR. The Leopard, Type 74, XM-1, Type 87, and such are obviously going to get melted easily when shot at, so the fact you’re complaining about not tanking autocannons is ridiculous.
I love the Type 74 and all, but if I get caught on the side by an autocannon and die, that’s my own fault. I don’t come on the forums and cry about 30mm APDS being OP because it can kill my Type 74 side on. Hell, even if it kills me frontally, I still understand that it’s a 30mm autocannon and I’m a tank built with mobility as my armor, not steel.
Once again, I’m not here to statshame, but you don’t exactly have the best KD across your WarThunder career. As a result, calling something OP doesn’t matter much, since you don’t know how to truly judge it. Your initial treatment of the original poster doesn’t make your point more valid, either.
It’s okay to not be the best player in the game, but you’re being hotheaded when you don’t have ground to stand on here. You can obviously tell people how you feel, but aggression just makes you look desperate to have a Deus Ex Machina.
You have played the Falcon and only maintain a 1.25KD in it. If it’s OP, why is your KD not better?
Could it be that it’s extremely situational?
From my experience with the vehicle, and while maintaining nearly a 1.5KD in it, I find the vehicle useful purely when enemies rush around corners without thinking or when a horde of light tanks needs to be stopped. While it is true that the vehicle was initially very OP years ago, it has long been increased in BR, belt nerfed, and power crept by other additions.
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They should leave it IMO.
If they bring it back down to 7.7 where it was first introduced it might make sense to remove APDS, ultimately as long at you have these tiny urban maps SPAA should do better than MBT’s. It’s the map size that makes them dangerous.
Bigger maps make SPAA APDS useless against MBT’s.
You can’t just remove something because you don’t like it, if it’s historical especially. Otherwise there is no standard against bias and sabotage of models.
I’m already severely disappointed with a lot of damage models in this game.
Anyone butthurt by SPAA in knife fight maps dominating is just dumb IMO.
Small and Urban maps make SPAA more dangerous and that is historically accurate.
They should be asking for longer open maps to check them correctly with MBT’s.
It’s one of the only nice things the UK tech tree has along the grind for mid tier ground.
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Falcon was really damn strong before this APDS belt change.
It definitely does not.
Even with arcade lead indicator being a thing ZSU-57-2 would be barely usable at 6.0 as an AA. As for the rest of your comment, you’re out of your mind.
I think the only one that’s schizophrenic in there is you.
If you play Germany/Japan you don’t exactly have a choice, only USA and Russia have tanks that can survive the SAP-I, neverminded the APDS at 8.3. And are we counting the T-72 as “lightly armoured” now?
I didn’t, I commented that it’s removal is justified for multiple reasons, balance, being able to move it to a BR where it can actually do it’s job as an SPAA and historical accuracy being the main ones.
But you are going to do it anyway.
not really, I expressed my opinion and mimicked the OPs capitalization of words to emphasize a point.
I don’t believe I have been aggressive in this thread in the slightest, sorry if you read it that way. I’m not exactly an eloquent person at the best of times and it certainly would not be the first time I’ve come across as being angry or nasty in text communication when that was not my intent.
Yes, AAs are known to run around the city ambushing tanks while holding W.
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I agree there is a real easy answer to this and it’s don’t knife fight with gun system SPAA. Why do MBT’s have to be stronger? in reality they aren’t in urban knife fights, use range correctly and hit first… really really easy.
Neither the Leopard or Type 74 should ever be in a situation where a Falcon can get on their side. The entire point of those vehicles is that they are mobile snipers.
And stating Germany doesn’t have options is a flat-out lie. You have an M48 at 8.3 that’s extremely powerful.
The Side Armor is about 80mm thick. It’s not exactly “thick”. Even a 25mm Rotary like the LAV-AD can cut through it with AP-I rounds.
This doesn’t sound like a suggestion; it sounds more like aggression.
To make this even more hilarious, do you think SPAA haven’t engaged tanks before? The Tiger’s gun literally came from one because it was that good at it. Vehicles like the Skink were also never used against Aircraft.
Historically speaking, anti-air was extensively used against ground targets and still is when pressed to do so.
Stating a fact is not shaming you. I play with many average players and have assisted several newbies get to my level. I have no care for if you are good or bad at the game; I only care what your credentials are when it comes to stating how “OP” something is.
Sure looks like a lot of capitalization. /s
I’m not going to psychologically break down your message to prove this point, so deny it all you want. You and I both know why you replied frantically to an opinion post with irrelevant information. Vehicles in this game regularly get or don’t get things they either had or didn’t have in reality. It’s common, so using it as a point against the Falcon shows your bias.
Then you should reply in a way that’s constructive, not condescending. You’re using emotions to decide what’s OP or not, especially when available statistics show the Falcon at only a 1.3KD through 20 million games.
“Yes, MBTs are known to run around the city ambushing tanks while holding W”.
Your logic doesn’t work any way you spin it.
Falcon with APDS is a 9.0 material and at that point it’d become pretty useless against aircraft in a vehicle that’s an AA, which is absurd.
i.e. dies to sap to cupola
very fun to play against those falcons yes
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So put it at 9.0. SPAA platforms can be tank killers.
They already up tiered the Falcon from 7.7. so it’s pretty useless to Airpower. The APDS is the only thing going for it.
So take it away and now from 5.5 to 8.3 you have nothing…
If they trial it and it’s stupid I hope they find another SPAA, maybe some kind of Bofores 40mm.
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And then it will get nerfed because Hurr Durr, 40mm Bofors pens my MBT. /s
Oh wait, that’s right! Motorola thinks the M247 is an OP tank killer. It’s not Sarcasm afterall.
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Still much better than seeing AAs run around the city.
At that point it isn’t AA anymore.
Just like ZSU-57-2 at 7.0.
I hope you aren’t defending current APHE interaction with cupolas.
You’re absolutely delusional.