The same article the picture is from claims that supposedly the Iranian mig 29s have been upgraded to 9.12 with radar and avionics on par with Mig-29M
I was the one who posted this image on the forums awhile ago, sadly someone corrected me. It’s not a Fakour 90 or any of the Iranian AAMs sadly, as much as I wish it was. I forget what it is or where the video came from, let me go look for it. I think I remember it being some kind of ASM or ARM missile, lemme go find the source
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There’s proof of the export version of the missile being tested and fired by an Iranian Tomcat:
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I found the photo on an article used as a reference for the f90s wikipedia (I know it isn’t trustworthy)
No proof exists, other than promotional imagery depicting possible plans for tested integration, but nothin ever came of them. No F-14 has ever been seen or proven to be capable of even mounting the necessary rails for usage of a R-73, let alone using the missile itself.
The picture could be a KH-29T
Found it (and a special thanks to General Lee for clearing this up and finding the source video way back when for me)
Kh-31 it seems
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I know this is off topic from the f90 but apparently Ukrainian mig29 has been retrofitted to be able to fire AGM 88 HARM which would be really funny to see mig 29 with if they add anti-radiation missiles
You don’t need to drop a million chaff to break the Fakour’s lock, though. It (alongside the AIM-54) is the easiest ARH missile to defeat.
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The only slight thing i’ve noticed with the F-90s which doesnt make any sense to me, is that they dont always appear on RWR. I’ve had it before, in aircraft with really really good RWRs, where i’ve only gotten the warning a second or 2 before impact. Aim-54, detect them from miles out, AMRAAM, miles out. F-90… just feels a little hit and miss whether or not I get an RWR warning in good time.
So I do almost wonder whether a bug report is needed there, but would need the proper testing first.
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Everyone saying to just notch, but forgets some RWR can’t detect it at all, and Russian jets in general have trash tier RWR that doesn’t give precise bearing of multiple approaching missiles
I don’t have the datamine missile spreadsheets on hand, but do you know if they detail the missile seeker lock ranges?
I think it does:
but it looks the same as everything else
Assuming its “baseline lock range from all-aspect: [km]”
Every missile has 16km, which sounds about right.
Which is why im a little confused by why the RWR feels inconsistant at times.
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Yeah that’s the stat, I’ve also felt like it appears on RWR too late. I used to chalk it up to “oh the missiles just going that fast” but sometimes it doesn’t feel like it should be, regardless of distance and altitude.
Yeah… I’ve had more than a few: “Where the bloody hell did that missile come from” moments, that i’ve chalked up to just missing it somehow, but if you’ve had something similar…
maybe it warrants investigating at some point.
Next time I get killed by one and didnt see a RWR. I’ll grab a screenshot and screen recording and then go and look in the replay. Perhaps do the same if you can.
I would but I don’t have any recording software atm, looking to get some soon though.
There is no evidence of it being a SARH missile, me when I spread misinformation. If you’re going to cite the fact that a test pilot referred to the AD-40A as a “Fox 1” I should also add some US pilots when firing the AIM-54 in circumstances referred to the missile as Fox 1 during the initial DL phase which requires direct input from the mother radar (AWG-9).
Additionally the Fakour-90 isn’t based off the Hawk but more akin to the AIM-54, the dimensions of the missile itself are slightly different to the 54 and distinctively different to the Hawk as well, it only shares a motor with the Hawk iirc (which contributes to its insane range).
Aka the true guidance method (SARH or ARH) is debated and remains more likely to be a ARH unless proven otherwise
At a guess, maybe it was guiding by TWS from the launching F-14 and only went pitbull at very short range? If it’s the same seeker head as the AIM-54, but with substantially better kinematics due to the improved booster, then if it’s set to go pitbull at, say 5 km from the target, then what is usually a very comfortable period of time before impact is substantially cut.
Next time it happens, open up the replay and check the sensor view, see when the F90’s seeker engages.
Pitbull range should be the same as everything else based upon datamines and just because it’s still being supported by DL doesn’t change when it goes Pitbull.
It’s high speed probably does play a part in it. But unless it’s doing something like Mach 15. I would expect an RWR warning sooner than 3 or so seconds before impact assuming it’s going Pitbull at 16km. If it triggers it at all (which I’m fairly certain I never got warning from one before, but not confident enough to say that I didn’t miss it whilst doing 3 things at once)
But yes, that is the plan. Grab a game recording to check what happened in game and then review in replay (replay can be different to in-game events I’ve found) and go from there
I posted these in the BR changes topic, but I’ll repost here…
War Thunder is full of dumb people, cocky people, 14.0s who think they don’t need to notch for anyone.
People cry about the F90 because they’ve been told that the optimal engagement range for an AIM120 is well within 40KM. So they’ll fly there… ignore any warnings… because they think their missile will be the long-range baddie. But no, your F90 is already about to say hello to them.
Basically, the F90 is there to kill dumb players and there are no shortage of them in War Thunder.
Call it a community service.
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