The F-4J UK is at too high a BR. It’s at the same BR as the F-4S, but the F-4J UK is significantly worse.
It carries AIM-7E dogfight missiles, which are nearly impossible to use effectively, while its AIM-9Gs are useless most of the time. It doesn’t have an HMD, and its flight model is terrible for its BR.
It’s way worse than the JA37C Viggen, yet the Viggen sits comfortably at 11.3, which is fair. The F-4J UK, on the other hand, desperately needs a BR reduction. It’s almost unplayable at its current BR.
Alternatively, Gaijin could give it better missiles, such as the Skyflash SuperTEMP.
Honestly, this just shows how many jets are being forgotten by the Gaijin team.
His criticism is fair. Skyflash DFs are vastly inferior to both the 7F and SuperTEMP. While the superTEMP is still worse than 7F in general (though is better within 15km), the gap of performance between superTEMP and 7F is a lot smaller than between superTEMP and DF
Tbf he didn’t mention that? He only said that the planes are worse than other 12.0 counterparts (though i disagree on it being worse than the viggen bc it still possess superior missile quantity)
idk. In my opinion the HDN radar and 4 buffed DFs are still superior to a mig-23’s situationally MTI radar and 2 R-24Rs. But it is inferior to almost all the 12.0s. I feel like a buff to its weaponry (whose bug report is already accepted anyways) is better than dropping it down in BR.
Im operating on an assumption the R-24Rs are gunna get buffed soon, and so largely disregarding that part
At which point the Mig-23s still have the better FM, missiles, CM count, etc. Quite frankly, Ive always thought the Mig-23MLD should be 12.0
FGR2 100% should get buffed, FG1 Id like to see remain with its current loadout and then wait on decompression. JUNK could take either route or a middle ground with just some buffs. But right here, right now, its definetly the weakest 12.0 aircraft.
(should be noted that the FGR2/FG1 vs Mig-23MLD is fairly balanced in SB, and Id argue the radar performance differences are more notable in that gamemode than ARB)
YES, the Junk is the worst one but british phantoms overall are pretty poor vs the pack.
they are vastly inferior to the american and japan tree peers but because of player stats, gaijin thinks they are in par with a phantom with HMD
In an ideal world the british phantoms would go:
FG1(F-4K): Same weapons 11.7 (within current compression)
FG2 (F-4M): AIM-9L and AIM-7e2 (skyflash dogfight) to represent a post falklands phantom based at stanley. 12.0 (within current compression)
J(UK): underwing countermeasures like the K/M with AIM-9L and Skyflash Supertemp to be the ultimate British Phantom despite the worse engines. 12.3 (within current compression)
I dont know of any reason why the J(UK) doesnt get the two extra sparrows but it probably should get them if it can, they were literally US phantom Js bought to cover for the FG.2s stationed in the falklands so there should be no reason why not
Given that the JUNK is the supposed “baseline phantom” that was then developed into the FG and FGR, it kinda doesn’t make sense to me to have it as the ultimate british phantom.
Britain purchased the surplus Js after the falklands in 1984 to augment the FGR2/FG1s in service to serve as QRA. In 1991/92 they were replaced by Tornados F3s in the QRA role, with the phantoms being entirely retired from service
So chronologically for britain, they were right at the end of the Phantoms being in service and so make sense having the best available weapons.
On the flip side, from a game PoV, they lack the RR engines or extra CMs, so whether they should be a lower relative BR with no weapon upgrades or partial is a debate to be had.