No the hell they don’t lmao
Nope, because things below the F-4J have to move up.
This rarely matters.
Matters even less since it can use SRC mode HMD to lock in all aspect anyway, but it’s only reliable for short-range shots. OP didn’t know how to use the radar to its full potential
which they still cannot chaff away without notching, nobody understands this
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Technically, they can chaff the radar, just not the missile
Purpose of saying this?
For people to understand how it works. One needs to either notch it or get away from the radar-illuminated zone that focused on the chaff behind
Pre chaffing does work very well on SRC modes as well
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Yep, good point. I do that all the time, especially if I see a MiG-23 because of how busted those R-24R’s are.
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So is it not just in my mind that R-24Rs are much more dangerous than others radar missiles of the BR?
No, your assumption is valid.
It’s the best SARH missile till the R-27R or AIM-7P. The only hindrance is the MiG-23 radar.
With the sparrows buff, maybe I would put the AIM-7F/M above it, because of kinematics alone, but the R-24R still tracks better due to IOG when the target notches
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Lowkey I’m now learning to notch in my 10.7s because it’s a serious problem in full uptiers
Really wasn’t a problem I expected to have until higher BRs
At that BR, if you can, chaff as soon as you get locked on, and move away from the lock direction if you still get launched upon.
Usually, it’s not needed to spam chaff, 1 chaff does the work most of the time. Against top tier missiles is a bit different, but each on its own time, just focus on dealing with those phantoms and mig23’s.
Also at 10.7 you can meet the J37C viggen (11.3) which has a pulse doppler radar with TWS on top. It’s by far the best radar you will face and can detect you and track you even if you are below it, in all aspects but notching (going perpendicular to it)
If you get launched at from a viggen or other PD radar carrier, you need to really notch and then chaff, chaffing prior to notching won’t do anything against it but waste your chaff pops.
Against aim-7e-2 and similar variants, you can often just outmaneuver the missiles by rolling and pulling at the same time when the missile is close. “sparrow roll”
You can’t do that against R-24R unless they were launched from higher ranges, and the same for AIM-7F but these have even more effective range.
Non pulse doppler radars and non MTI radars cannot detect/lock onto you against ground clutter (below them), but they might still get a lock if they get close enough / you aren’t low enough.
Good luck!
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You can’t do that anymore, starting with the AIM-7E-2 and later models
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Duly noted, I’ll try to remember that when facing them. Thank you!
You still definitely can roll them away. Why do people keep saying this?
(Already posted the same video in this thread)
That’s not a Sparrow Roll, it’s a mistake on your part. You fired a missile with a 1-second delay at 3 km.
You can see the path tracer he just makes a turn.
I fired at 3.7-4km range. The missile started to turn when it was about 3km from the target.
If I wanted it to have its max speed I should have fired it a bit later even, but still very good when it crossed the target (2700km/h)
The target just rolled and pulled into a different direction and evaded the missile. You can do the same reliably against AIM-7E-2’s. So you can still easily evade them by rolling and pulling.
You can clearly see that he rolled upside down and pitched up (pulling towards the ground)
Okay, man, just keep doing your thing just don’t post shit on the forum.
What’s wrong? It’s clearly on the video. AIM-7E-2’s are easy to evade kinematically.
The problem is that you’re talking about missiles and mentioning maximum speed at sea level
