If that was true mig-23mld would not be at 11.3
Or su22 at 11.7
Or J7e for example that is criminally undertiered at 11.0
Etc
In an ASB context, the reason the Mig-23 is disliked so much is because its probably under BRed.
Its 11.3, and the only true counter for it is the British Phantoms which barely anyone play imo.
Most of what should be its equivalents, namely the other PD Phantoms are all at 12.0. This means that 11.3 and 11.7 matches can feel heavily one sided to redfor.
For me, its especially annoying that the SHar FRS1 & Hawk 200 RDA are somehow the same BR as the Mig-23s (especially the MLD) and the Tornado GR1 is somehow a higher BR
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may i ask which Su-22 is at 11.7?
The Mig-23MLD could honestly be 11.7 in sim. it has the capabilities to.
the J-7E is at 11.0 due to lacking a radar, only having access to 4 IR missiles (good ones mind you, but not IRCCM ones), and a relatively low CM count. its a plane carried by its flight performance, and it cannot, in my opinion, go any higher.
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Cockpit visibility is something that could have an impact on an aircrafts battle rating in ASB. take 2 identical aircraft and give one limited visibility and other great visibilty and its clear who would likely win in a dogfight.
But its only one of multiple factors and shouldnt override everything else
ASB does put way greater value on things like radar, RWR and ergonomics than ARB does
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For example, the P-47 with razorback cockpit is at the same BR as the bubble canopy P-47s. you can guess which one has a much better time keeping track of targets.
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You right, I was prolly confusing it for mig 27.
for both of those, they’re extremely fast base bombers/attackers that can be quite hard to catch by some aircraft. Su-22s also gets a quite good amount of R-60Ms, and the german and russian later versions get a boat ton of CMs.
Mig-27 has less bombing capability, but is also much much faster. it still has enough to take down 1 or 2 bases while being faster. in the case of the 27K it also has a pretty good guided CAS capability for taking out convoys and such.
Believing on this is like say Iranian F-14 were destroyed in the current war at an Iranian base. Such it’s not true.
You bring lies from an 80s war impossible to know the true due lack of internet at that time. No multimedia at all
Is this wikipedia?
If so, this is widely agreed on being a terrible source of information.
Nobody is actually going to look at this and take it as valid proof
Why is it so hard for you to believe that mirage F1’s were used to down F14’s, is it just salt over the mig-23s only being used as bait? The “giraffe” tactic was well documented and resulted in at least 4 hits on F14’s, with 3 probable kills (in 1988 iranians didn’t record the loss of any F14). It doesn’t even require the radar to look down to shoot, and it’s not like F14’s themselves didn’t claim some mirage F1 kills in return.
As for the performance of the F1, it’s perfectly in line with 3rd gen competitors, with some advantages and disadvantages. Using the data from wikipedia, the afterburning atar 9k-50 gives about 7200 kg of thrust, meaning that the thrust to weight ratio ranges from 0,66 with maximimum takeoff weight , to 0,97 when fully empty. Not the best, but still pretty acceptable since the drag is low enough that it can still go mach 2.2 when clean, and carry enough weight in internal fuel + drop tanks to have a pretty impressive 3300 km ferry range. (for comparison mig-23 2350 km, ja-37 2200km, F-14 3200 km).
zero points being made by you.
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Those are the main features and the main weaknesses. Wikipedia have nothing to do with what was it IRL
ok… what here tells us that the Mirage F1 was bad?
Oh and btw considering your claim that F-14s haven’t been destroyed…
the actual video is better but this is from June.
That’s the cover of a flight manual saying “restricted”
whats that supposed to tell me?
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mf brought up the South African Mirage F1 manual as if you cant just get it online.
You can find the follow information in any AI search just typing “Super Mirage F1 project”. The disappointing result from South African Air force after face the truth in Angola War against MiGs directed them to this:
The Super Mirage F1 project was a late 1980s/early 1990s South African effort by Aerosud and the SAAF to modernize aging Mirage F1AZ fighters. It centered on replacing the original Atar 9K50 engine with the more powerful Russian Klimov RD-33 (SMR-95) turbofan and upgrading to modern avionics. The program aimed to boost combat performance due to international sanctions, though it was eventually cancelled in favor of other, more advanced fighters.
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Vague wording like “better” or “upgraded” doesn’t really tell anything. Real life battle performance also doesn’t matter at all for the game.
If you think that there is a specific stat that a plane has wrong in-game then you need to show exactly what that stat is and provide valid sources that prove that the stat is wrong and then create a bug report on the bug report site.
Posting that X plane can beat Y plane does nothing productive and will get nothing changed in the game.
Also; AI is know to be wrong a lot of the time, unless you can find where the AI has found the information and know that source to be trustworthy, but at that point you might as well just use that source instead of the AI. It uses some really odd sources for it’s information sometimes.
For a lot of the planes where the manuals are de-classified and public this is probably still how the flight models are created: ( Flight model creation - War Thunder Wiki )
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ai
im gonna hold myself back from saying what i want to.
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Just search for Super Mirage F1 project. AI, book, video. What you gonna use for it doesn’t matter.
What matter is how failed this aircraft IRL. We need that representation in WT instead to have such on steroid fake in WT