F16As and Mig 29As

@HighRiskNoReward
Without airframe advantage over the enemy.*
You don’t need Fox-3s to be offensive, you need positioning and airframe advantage in at least one aspect: Speed, maneuverability, and/or fuel consumption.

AIM-7Fs and R-27ERs are fine missiles of course, but they’re still just radar missiles.

IRCCM doesn’t care about your airframe

They are not comparable to each other begin with. The sparrows have no chance against fox3 carriers. The R-27ER might if they underestimate you.

@HighRiskNoReward
IRCCM isn’t a Fox-3.
Also if you’re notching more than 30 seconds in a match, you should play the BRs you understand instead.

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It’s either that or you RP as a lawnmower, which feels cheesy. You also aren’t able to notch well, while guiding a SARH missile.

The 12.7 F-16s and Mig-29s are fine, we just need a ton of decompression. Uptiers in them are brutal, since you can rarely be on the offensive.

You can’t guide at all, since you need to notch at over 90º LOS from the incoming missile.

But i’d much rather be in a mig-29 in an uptier than the F-16.

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You’re not supposed to launch first, you’re supposed to launch in proper parameters.
I guarantee you that if you or HighRisk launches first against me, you will lose the engagement.
12.7 F-16s and Mig-29s are already decompressed.
F-15C/JM and Su-27SM are the only 13.7 holdouts.

And while @HighRiskNoReward is admitting his posts are wrong by having posts that dehumanize others instead of staying on topic; little does he know that I ran an exclusive AIM-9L loadout with all of my F-16As, not just the American standard one.

Granted, more people have learned and forgot, so now it’s more chaos than it use to be.

Ohh noo… That explains why your stats are soo good with the F-16A right? 0.5kdr? Oh nevermind.

Overall you have too little experience to talk on the topic to begin with, and unimpressive stats across the board. Then you come here saying we don’t know how to play.

That’s blatantly incorrect. You can very easily get a whole 1.0BR out of just decompressing 12.7+.
Are you talking about just 12.7, or all that 12.7 can face?

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11.7 to 12.7 is entirely decompressed, I should know I play the BR range, including 13.0 and 11.3.
When running my 11.7 Tornados I fear nothing but the EJ Kai and odd F-16 that catches my path taking alone.
In 12.0 I fear nothing. I have Phantoms and Tornado F3 I play, neither of which lack the capabilities of defense.

@HighRiskNoReward


Maybe you shouldn’t pick the thing I used as a bomber.
Funny how I have 2:1 KDRs using AIM-9Ls only.
Funny how I have 1:1 using F-16C as a bomber. [I’ve gotten more competent defending myself as a bomber since F-16A and F-16A MLU.]

I am known for using fighters capable of bombing as a bomber, here’s another example:


37 battles, zero aircraft destroyed.

Weird that you claim you don’t play… I’ll explain it:
Then there’s me that has 98 vehicles played of rank 7 or higher:
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Most of which having over 4 hours each of gameplay.
You have 63, with a similar total battles count and similar skill level. So you’re insulting yourself as well.

Don’t bring up stats if you’re not prepared for the heat. I’m not even a stats hunter, I don’t care about my stats and I perform far less today than I use to precisely because I don’t lose money in repair costs anymore.

Many of those you just have a handful of battles, some less than 10.

It doesn’t matter how you spin it. You have no authority to come here with weird takes and then tell us we don’t know how to play when I can see your performance directly. I usually bomb with every F-16 that can carry bombs. I have spaded 6 of them and all but the ADF can bomb.

No the F-16A isn’t fine.
No, 12.7 isn’t decompressed.
No you can’t compete against bad platforms with fox3 even if you are an F-16, it does only seem you can because most people playing the premium viggen or the new kfir are clueless.

Sometimes I am on top of leaderboard when facing 13.7 with my 12.7 F-16, but that does not mean it is balanced, only that the enemy was mostly clueless.

No, you just have no idea what you’re talking about. You have about half the games i do in the eurofighter and you don’t play in full real. You’re just full of shit. F16a is a ufo and you admit so in your own post history.

Still I have better performance (over 4kdr) with it, with far less matches than you, I also had an 8 kill game not long ago. I haven’t been playing with it much because it gets old seal clubbing people with unbalanced/OP planes. I mostly stick to the 12.3-13.0 bracket.

But this isn’t the point of the discussion…

You also said the F-16 responds better in full controls than the EF2000 which is just plain wrong. I’m still waiting for a valid reason the F-16 FM should be nerfed.

Lmao. Sorry but no, the F-14IRAF is way better than the Mig-29S

I agree if we’re talking about pure airRB meta because the only good trick of the IRAF F14 is to get some kills early game which helps the snowball against the enemy. But both the yak141 and the mig29 are far more dangerous foes.

I consider the yak141 the best 12.7 but I also think the IRAF F-14 should go to 13.0 because its so effective in the current meta and completely ruins games against some planes that barely have a working RWR in downtiers.

I’m talking about RB or Sim they’re extremely similar modes.

A good F-14IRAF pilot will own the battle field, with the what 4x Fakours? It really only lacks all aspect ur aams.

LMAO this is a truly heinous balancing take
You want 11.3s to fight F-16s and MiG-29s? Really? An F-4E? You think a Kurnass 2000 is the same calibre as an F-16?

R-27ER are more effective than the fakours by a wide margin against aware opponents.

Sometimes you can even kill F-14 spammers at long range if they push their luck by launching your R-27ER early, going cold to chaff and move away some distance, then relock the missile when it gets near the F-14 that isn’t receiving any warning and flying straight to your R-27ER till a few seconds before impact.

And without team support, the F-14 doesn’t “own” anything since the fakours might as well be dead weight. What makes them strong is overwhelming RWR with missiles from different directions with the help of your fellow F-14 spammers.

Make no mistake, I think the IRAF F-14 is unbalanced, but for mid/late game is just a mid jet. Still better than the F-14a since you can have R-27R’s over Aim7F’s

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Are they now ? My F-14 Iraf doesn’t have chaff and I’m avoiding them as we speak.

You want to make a duel? Full loadout F14 vs mig29 or yak141 with 1 r-27er?