Yeah, I’m probably gonna be hated or get a skill issue on this, but I think the early F-16s and Mig-29s shouldn’t be at 12.7. Looking at what they are fighting and their armament, how can they compete with Fox 3s at 13.0 with 9Ls and R60s.
Advocate for decompression rather than compression. Everything above them needs to go up, not them go down.
Treat the disease, not the symptoms.
Mig29 is fine (among the best 12.7 with yak141 and IRAF F-14), so are the F-16’s that carry sparrows, the IR only ones could be dropped a notch.
Having said that they all suffer from BR compression.
Aint the disease the F-4S and Mig-23ML spam lol
The IR definitely could need a fix.
F16a could go down to 12.3 if they’d fix the overperforming fm, until they do it simply can’t go down.
overperforming how?
The thing is a ufo? wym overperforming how?
In what ways does it behave like a ufo? Or in what ways is is overperforming? You need to be more specific than “nerf F-16 because overperforming fm”.
Well for starters it can pull over 50 degrees of aoa before departing flight even though there isn’t a single f16 to exceed 25.5 degrees of aoa. It outperforms its own em diagrams, as does the f15a. Its the best fm in the game. Block 10 out dogfights the eurofighter and rafale, guns only which it has no business doing.
2nd part not saying to put it to 11.3 at least make it 12.3 or 12.0.
12.3 for the ones with radars btw.
It will only pull that if you override the instruction and make the plane loose control. Also no point in doing that because the F-16 doesn’t respond well to that stuff.
So do most planes.
This is just untrue. Not against the Eurofighter which will easily force the 1C and almost match it in 2C. The gripen for example is still better than the F-16 block10
It will easily pull that in full real and NOT depart flight. As in you remain in full control of the aircraft.
Not by nearly the margins that the f16a does. Only one that comes close to overperforming as much is the f5 another notoriously poorly made flight model and the f15a which is in a similar boat to the f16a.
Go play them in full real. The f16a can easily keep up and usually win against the eurofighter and rafale.
No it doesn’t. With the instructor it will reach about 25deg AoA maximum on minimum fuel, on full control you can get into the 35degs by also losing all your speed in the process. (You can do up to 90 by stalling/flat spin the plane in the process)
F-16 FM doesn’t respond well with higher inputs than what the instructor allows to begin with, no point in doing so unless you cant control your sustained turn with mouse aim.
The Eurofighter has away too much thrust and noose authority for the F-16 to be able to force the 2C, and even then it only wins by a small margin in sustained turn rate. The rafale might be easier because it performs worse than the Eurofighter, but in practise it doesn’t matter because any F-16 would be forced into the 1C anyway with magic 2 or micas. Even the mirage 2k could do it.
The block10 isn’t the monster you think it is right now. It’s sustained turn rate is equal to the block 50 and the F-15A. Only slightly better in energy retention due to the weight.
They are…
Unless they aren’t for Arcade, they are 12.7
I’ve literally tested the aoa thing in wtrti myself. It can 100% do more than you think it can. It responds fine to high aoa inputs as I’ve used them quite extensively. The thing can pull more AoA than a mig29 and can keep up with the flanker in full real. In fact it can keep up with the eurofighter in the 1 circle in full real. The ef2000 can out aoa the f16a but its so unstable in those high aoa maneuvers that it will either rip its wings off or pull too much aoa and go into an unrecoverable stall because janky fm. The ef can go for the energy trap but then it has to come in to the fight with more energy. The Ef has amazing engines but like most planes bleeds too much speed at low speed so if you get slow you stay slow.
I would also add the F-15A to this list.
You need to test again because you must be confusing the mig29 with the F-16 FM. The mig29 can indeed pull into the 50deg AoA. The F-16 will only do about 35deg unless you induce a flat spin.
Also if you are fighting people pulling that much AoA in the F-16 they must be incredibly bad because the F-16 will have a very bad turn rate and energy retention with those maneuvers.
Bro now I think you are just trolling with me. The EF2000 is one of the most controllable jets on high AoA only after the flankers
Fox 3s are just radar missiles with an internal radar.
Defeat them like you do SARHs.
IR only F-16s are fine at 12.7.
What a shortsighted take. Have you ever considered that without fox3’s you will always be defensive and be an easy target to fox2’s if you keep on the notch? The only missiles that can somewhat compete are the R-27ER since at mid ranges you can launch them, unlock and notch chaff, then go relock again before impact.