This plane is dog shit. AIM 9Ls at this BR are laughable. It doesn’t belong on 13.0. Who thought it was a good idea?
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it isn’t 13.0 though, its 12.7?
no idea why this was flagged…
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i think they talking about the ADF one
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that would ber a good thing to clarify XD
in that case it has the aim-7M which is the primary reason for the increase in BR.
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r27er sitting at lower br is silly lol
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Funny how the Gripen with 9M’s is sitting at the same BR, the F16 should be at 12.7, unless they add fox 3s for the block 15s ADF
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you should add the ADF to the post title, as it is slightly misleading.
But i agree, there’s several airframes with R-27ERs at lower brs and no one is complaining about it, so having that plane at 12.7 being the sidegrade to the F-16A (+7Ms but less ratefight) should be a reasonable reward for researching it.
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Gripen also has Aim 7E-2 and not F/M, not saying its a good reason but the F16AM also sits at the same BR with MAWs, cm pods, and 9M’s. Blame decompression not being made with enough thought. Regardless the US has other options for aircraft is the f16 is getting frustrating to play. I recommend the f14, AV8B+, or the f15A. Additionally other vehicles also exist if you need a break.
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I’m talking about the A not ADF. And my bad, it’s 12.7. But I still don’t like it.
yea don’t understand why either, mig 29g in the same br have irccm missle, hmd and the best sarh missle, gripen A at the same br have worse radar missle but much better flight performance, hmd, much more counter measure and irccm missle, and not to mention the f15a that at the same br, gaijin have to either reduce adf br or give it aim 9m
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Meanwhile the F-16AJ has neither 9Ms nor 7Ms and is still at 13.0, lmao
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It has F’s right? If so F’s and M’s are identical in game. Additionally it the most lightweight of the ADF models making it the most agile of the ADF f16’s
&Not saying these vehicles should be 13.0*
Didn’t they recently change it so Fs and Ms have their slight differences modeled or am I making stuff up as a coping mechanism?
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I don’t believe they were changes since irl its the same as AIM 120 A and B(slight avionic adjustments), the differences would be so miniscule there is no real reason to model them separately. To be fair the F/M aim are pretty solid missiles, just try to use AIM 7E-2/Skyflash at that BR and youd change your mind on AIM 7. Though i would say the AJ f16 is probably one of the top fighters at 13.0 just for the fact it weighs less.
To be honest, I sometimes prefer the Skyflash, I feel like I get way more consistent results with it (most likely since I’m forced to use it at shorter ranges). But in my opinion I don’ think the slight performance boost on the AJ over the ADF is enough to warrant an entire BR step difference, same with the Soviet and German Mig-29 9.12.
I’d argue at great lengths about at, with the Gripen and F-15 also being 13.0
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If i had to use any of the 13.0 ADF f16s id still choose the AJ though it may just be my luck of getting into dogfights, though that doesnt mean i dont get third-partied lol. My biggest gripe with the Skyflash is the range and tracking, ive had them just go dead on targets that didnt notch or anything its also more annoying to fight against people who know the range of the aim 7F/M. I usually dont fire Skyflash outside 6km as they more often then not lose too much energy whereas the slower burning M/F can keep going.
Well yeah, among the 13.0 F-16 the AJ is the best for sure.
I’ve had 7F launched at targets head-on, at altitude, at someone flying straight go for a single pop of chaff as if it’s a pulse seeker, so it’s seems not only the Skyflash that has duds. The only SARH missile I haven’t had bug out on me like that yet has been the R-27.
Honestly, this entire discussion is less about the miniscule jump in BR for one or more missile improvements on the same airframe and more about the still existing need for BR decompression at and above 11.0 BR air. like the JAS39A (and a few others) is SO much better equipped than most other 13.0 and 12.7 BUT would not be suited for a BR increase at current state.
its just that top tier air still needs decompression for a more fair range BUT if that is done then the diversity at many BR’s will take quite a big hit as Gaijin currently has chosen to just put slight variants of the F-16, MIG-29 and JAS39 at top tiers in almost all trees. they should look at diversifying top tier with more unique vehicles and around the same time decompress it. until then we sadly have to suffer in some airframes.
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because its gaijin and as will a majority if not all U.S Planes are overtiered.
Lmao.
F-8U and F-104 are destroying their entire BR range in the meantime
F-5C was as well
A-10 was shooting 9Ls at planes with no flares
F-14 is braindead easymode and just dunks on anything at the BR in every metric
Yeah tell us again how most US planes are overtiered…
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