F-16 mate is one of the best air frames in game, period, it’s even beaten EF2000s in Dogfights.
It’s only beaten out by I think gripen and Rafale. As well as I believe Ef2000.
The F16A right now is suffering from getting dogwalked by ARH carriers.
that is literally an issue that every plane without ARHs is facing 12.0 - 12.7 etc I have no idea why people just fixate on one plane and want it moved down, in this case, F16A
Maybe because one of
1- They plays F-16A, and don’t care about non-US vehicles or only thinking about ‘Russian Bias’(/s) vehicles. Sukhois… Su-30MK series with ARH, or Su-27
2- looking another batshit planes such as F/A-18C or F-15A to rationalise F-16A down further
3- or they just want to massacre 11.0BR jets such as MiG-21bis, F-4EJ by sending them downward further
I mean even the F4s with ARHs can force it defensive long enough, the issue is the Su30 can do everything it can bar dogfight / clorerange better.
The F15A shouldn’t be 12.7 lol it’s in no way the same as a Mig 29.
Ima go with door number 3 man
Perfect example of failed balancing, all they have to do is just putting it at 12.3
I mean, it’s not like there was a reason the F-15 and F-16 were so high in the first place. Totally not like they were piss stomping on every 11.0 bracket jet to the point Gaijin had to raise the BR to get the F-15 and F-16 to stop massacring lower BRs. Unfortunately now the American mains went back to sucking, so we are all punished for it. Especially now that we have people demanding the F-16 go to 12.0
“Russian Bias is real!” They said…
It probably is real, but in the context of Air RB…
Perhaps these takes are somewhat blurred.
It may be real in some parts, such as R-27ER or premium Sukhois.
But I really wonder why it should be a reason for American mains to need special care in the level of subsidies. When ‘everyone’ suffers against those underrated planes. :/
F-15A, F/A-18A/and C Early, F-4S, F-5C when turnfighting was meta, and such…
When every plane suffers against Su-30MKs, why F-16A need special care? Why…??
2.7 corsair, 3.0 p51, bearcat at 4.7, etc etc
The people that scream Russian bias are the ones that have never played Russia. There are only three things of “Russian bias” that I will give them.
American mains have always been selfish, because “muh world supremacy” (which means they waited for everyone else to do the heavy lifting, showed up last minute, and declared victory). They want to say this game should be historically accurate (F-15s with AIM 120s versus MiG 21s), but will cry about actual historical accuracy that does not benefit them (basically every Sherman versus German SPGs). It was amazing seeing them justify why it was necessary for the US to dominate when they got the F-14 with AIM 54s, when the F-15E completely dominated ARB for the longest time, when the F-16 was the dominant aircraft for so long, and they always said, “git gud scrub.” But yet the second anyone balanced the game, they demanded nerfs (“nerf the Rafale”, “nerf the MiG 29”, “nerf Eurofighter”) and if you even said, “get good” they’d spam report you, cry to admins who will lock posts, and then use a few months of dominance as a “proof of bias” for… whoever was slightly better than them.
being average doesnt make up for sucking.
i said it shouldnt be moved down, thats not defending it.
@Akizyro can you please handle this troll?
Average? at what? what does it suck at exactly? bar the fact it’s compressed? which the solution is to make jets without even PD radars and poor FMs fight the F16?
He is not a troll at all lol he’s pointed out your contradictoray manners that’s all
No, you acted in contradiction.
You told us that it’s BR shouldn’t move down(which is a fair take)
But you also called F-16A ‘shit plane’ (which is not a fair take)
Yes. You had a perfect chance to walk off homerun, but you made a double play instead.
Sir, with due all respect, I just can’t get why I need to be called a troll and you pinged a mod for it.
I was pointed out a contradiction in your statements.
Could disagreeing with someone be called a troll?
This looks like textbook name-calling.
Well tbh prop BRs are alread messed up in such a way. The Re 2005 is 6.3 but inferior basically all performance metrics to the 4.3 Spitfire
putting it at 12.3 doesn’t solve anything, it just makes compression worse
Ta152C another good example
Eater of worlds P51H at 6.3 because handwaves
The F-16A is the worst K/D plane in rank 8, rivaled only by the MiG-29 and the late Hornet. Which says a lot.
(And no, non-US ones have similarly terrible server statistics, so that is not an issue of “US mains being low-skill morons once again.”)
I’m not saying that further compression would fix anything. But treating F-16A as some kind of “monster” (or even merely a “good aircraft”, tbh), considering the current state of the meta, is delusional, lol
I really don’t care, most every 12.3 - 12.7 is absolutely buggered right now due to the sheer volume of Su30s and such around.
You have a su30 or such? If so we can duel, ill show you just how good it is.
You forget it as we have all stated is struggling VS tbe current lobbies of Su30s and such hurling ARH missiles.
That doesn’t mean it should move down and to 12.0 and basically exclusively beat the crap out of phantoms etc.
Also mind you its now closer in BR to the F4 phantom or F1 mirage than ever in the games history
You should, because no other 12.3-12.7 (or Rank 8 in general) vehicle struggles as much as the F-16A, and has such a low server statistic.
F-16A struggles for obvious reasons. I’m not sure why you continue to ignore them.
(For the record, I agree that compression is tragic, and 12.3-13.0 is miserable right now, but that wasn’t the point.)
C’mon, that is not a serious discussion.
I’ve said so myself; what are you responding to?
Original topic.
OP wanted to send F-16A down to 12.0 EXCLUSIVELY thanks to premium Su-30s and ARH threat
And some other lad resurrected this topic with the same theory.
EDIT: Oh, never mind. Misread the comment
Maybe we might just be too tired of spam of ‘US vehicle need special care’ topic. :|