Such as?
Why do people keep looking at 5/10 weapon 10/10 FM aircraft and compare it on weapon basis alone instead of overal package?
Sure 11.0 aircrafts might be 5/10 weapon as well but they have 5/10 FM to boot.
If you put F-16A in match with planes of equal arment, arment becomes less important and what starts matter is the FM, and matter of fact is F-16A sodomizes most if not all 11.0-12.0 aircrafts in that department with ease.
A-4E Early has 2 20mm cannons 2 AIM-9Bs and 60 CMs… F-5C also has 2 20mm cannons 2 AIM-9Bs and 60 CMs… F-5C 10.7 > 8.7
Logic!
F-16A will roflstomp any 12.0 plane without breaking a sweat.
Compression is not the solution to compression
F-16A stays at 12.3, the real problems such as the Su-30s go up.
Balancing should be done based in a vehicle’s peers at its own br, not whether something in an uptier is better than it or not.
Because guess what? The vehicle at a higher br is better. Who could’ve thunk
Name them
IRCCM carriers - Mirage, JH, even the jag has r73s.
Fox 1 carriers- mig 23, tornado, phantom and more all can easily kill the f16 from the front.
As in press 1 or 2 buttons and potentially even an aware F16 is dust
Give me a list of vehicles under the F16. hell even other 12.3s it doesn’t rofl stomp¿
To be fair, 6 x 9Ls isn’t a 5/10 either, I’d rate it a 6.5 /10 cause of how handy those missiles can be if you use them properly, though my latest F16 experience has been the 12.3 Netz for Isreal.
sorry mate what mirage?
The mirage F1C does not even touch an F16 unless the F16 is flying like an absolute melt.
JH7A has IRCCM but is a twin seated attacker and I can tell you is not beating an F16A at all.
The Jaguar IS ? the one with one cannon? that bleeds all it’s speed and can’t even do very well VS other 11.0s?
The closest plane in game below 12.0 which comes close to touching teh F16A is the J7E as it’s arguably got the best FM out of them all that is again, up for contention.
No they cannot lol. you can easily notch an R24 in the F16 due to it’s manueverability, you can easily force a mig23 into positions it cannot use its MTI function and thus render its missiles useless.
You can easily beat a phantoms missiles hell you can literally keep flying towards it and corkscrew the Aim7F and it’ll miss you, I did it not 3 days ago lol.
the F16 is not dust to any of those planes at all
Nonsense. Its 16 vs 16. All it takes is 1 mirage on ur ass under 2km and chances are u be dead.
1 sneaky mig 23 pops up 5 km head on u dead etc etc.
it has an even better FM than pretty much everything at top tier, besides the eurocanards
At a BR where FM is coming last. Games usually won or lost way before any FM cones into it.
Best game for the f16 is dunking the 9Ls on the furball.
People saying but but the downtiers… what downtiers? 12.3 is locked into 13.3 all day and night.
Which highlights how screwed the balancing in war thunder really is
F-4S has PD HDN, easy as hell to defeat.
MiG-23 doesn’t even have pulse dopplar.
Mirage? Seriously?
You’re scared of a tornado in an F-16. Really now.
What jag has R-73s? This shows how utterly clueless you are
And all these aircraft are literal bricks.
You should not be scared of them at all.
Magic 2 only works close range rear aspect, R-73 is pretty easy to flare, Pl-5EII isn’t a problem either.
Last thing id do is to launch flarable 9Ls into furball but thats just me i guess
Fm matters in every br.
A good plane needs multiple positives to be strong, that often includes a strong flight model.
If you’re letting a MiG-23 and a mirage sneak up on while in an F-16 that says more about you than the plane or game itself
You realise its unbelievably easy to flate off an IRCCM missile? You literally cut throttle change direction and pop one or two flares and it’s going to miss.
Also a mirage F1 should never be in that position, again the flight model allows for you to completely negate enemies taking position.
Or are you saying a person completely unaware of an enemy behind them? Because in that case a 9B would also kill it lol.
Also no lol, a sneaky mig 23 isn’t going to pop up on your 12 oclock at 5km, that in an F16 is an enormous window to react in.
Sorry but at 12.3 - 13.3 FM is still massively important, hence why when the F15E dropped it was extremely dominant as its FM allowed it to sit literally out of range of any enemy whilst bonking back.
JAS39 still a fantastic plane purely due to how strong its FM is.
EF2000s whilst slinging not so great amraams are still one of the top dogs purely due to the FM.
The F16A FM allows you to completely negate the majority of opposing planes advantages, like for example you can out dogfight most of them, out sustain them, out manuever them as well as out arm them bar in SARH context.
It’s only , and i mean only problem is the fact the game is compressed.
You talk like its 1 vs 1…
Easy is relative to the situation.
Roll this, notch that, flare the other isnt easy when theres 15 other jets to worry about too.
I just watched defns last f16a vid to see how the best rolls…
Wierd how he is dogging it every 2 mins.
Downtiers good, but so rare its a non factor. Playing under 12.3 vs f16 is easier than f16 vs flanker every time anyway
Easy enough unless your playing without looking st the monitor lol.
Most engagements are 1v1, 1v2 or something like that. Assuming you have good awareness and know how to position.
If it’s 1v5+ then you’re doing something wrong.
Fix your positioning, don’t fly into a furball of enemies like a headless chicken and complain about you dying
My netz last outijg in arb was vs 13.0 and i went 4 /0 its not difficult, at all.