No, no it is not hard to get in at all.
The F18A in 12.3 is busted lol, its only issue is top end speed.
Let it die. It cant go to 12.0 and its cope at 12.3.
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In the current state arguments for keeping the F16A at 12.3 are simply irrational.
The fact that even the F/A 18A has 2-4 BVR missiles at 12.3 while the F16A does not, is because its a pure Dogfighter in a meta where even if you dont get killed by Radar guided missiles you wont get to score very high either because your teammates will get BVR kills.
Not to mention Premium active missile users which while they dont know how to dodge they do know how to Flare and the Aim-9L are horrible weapons which only leaves you with guns.
So yeah a 12.0 is wanted because while you will outperform anything at 11.0 it wont be completly outclassing the competion as they get weapons that can fight back.
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1 F18A is under BRd lol thats why.
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2 it’s one of the most agile platforms in game at a BR where you’re coming up against literally phantoms most matches.
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3 the only major issue it comes across which applies for every plane is coming up against ARH missile carriers without carrying them yourself.
That does not mean the F16A should be the same BR as a mirage F1C or an F4J lol
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They literally do not.
The mig29 which was its peer at addition is now what 13.0? And tbe newer addition 12.7.
So yeah, no it has no competition at 12.3 never mind 12.0.
Which weapons?
Its not irrational, its knowing that modern jets are compressed to hell and back and knowing F-16A will eat any 11.0 alive pitbull vs toddler style.
Its soviet “peer” got R-73 hence the 13.0, same as 29G.
The R-60M only armed Mig-29s, ie. the OG “peers” are all still 12.7
The OG peer is gone and has been for a while.
The 9-13 mig29 should have lost the R27ERs and got R73 as thats the historical loadout and stayed 12.7.
Also the F16A monsters a mig29
F16A is a goated 12.3. 12.3 Tornados are an example of a bad one. Bad airframe with only 2 Irccm missiles. Which should not be higher than the 12.0 fighter variant in Airrb.
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Underestimating F4S/F4J’s is one mistake you dont want to make as well as the Mig-23M they both more then capable of locking you up and putting you under pressure to force mistakes before you even get close enough for Missiles or guns.
What i am trying to get across is that that you have a better chance with an Mig-21 at 11.0 against an F16A then an F16A against anything at 13.3.
Planes that would really struggle are Strike planes and the F4E’s
Like what???
It’s super easy for an F-16 to notch F-4S or MiG-23 then run down the F-4/MiG-23 to death.
Not really. Screwed either way fully.
Look to my comment above yours.
Also R27’s which are bvr and R60M’s which aint the same as the Aim9L but are pretty on par which each other despite having a slight difference on how to deploy them.
R27 first appears commonly at 12.7… not 11.0… R-60Ms aren’t anywhere near as good as 9L because it has 2-2.5x less range.
F-16 would just become unstoppable at 12.0 except for when it sees 12.7+
You are right R27 come after the R23/24 which are far worse.
As for the R60M i had more success with R60m’s then with Aim-9L’s or even M’s
My Point still is that you stand a better chance against an F16A at 11.0+ then the F16A does at anything above it especially ARH slingers.
Does doesnt mean the F16A would be a menace at 12.0 i will not argue that , but it also comes down alot to the player.
Come on now lol
Issue is F-16A FM is in fact so good people who do 1v1 duels are able to take it against eurofighter and win.
F-16A problem is that is has little to no presence in 2/3s of the match due to lack of any long range missile.
But even if you are flying 13.3 ARH slinger, the last thing you want to happen is for F-16 to merge (unless youre flying F-16 yourself).
So now imagine putting such plane, one capable of dueling eurofighter, in enviroment where lack of range isnt an issue as most of your enemies lack range as well.
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You stand zero chance if the F-16 pilot simply isn’t bad
sorry lol neither put me under pressure in my F16A or Netz , if you know how to use the F16A at 12.3 it by all means should be untouchable unless you make a massive error.
It’s only issue is going up against the likes of SU30 premiums which can drop a plethora of ARHs on it 40kms out and it cannot react to that other than go defensive.
No you really do not mate.
the only 11.0 area plane which can maybe touch an F16 is the J7E which was by all means the F16 before the F16A came to the game.
thing is and was a monster in flight characteristics.
Lol F4E is already facing F16s almost every single game anyway, it also has a far better chance than say an F4J which as a signficantly worse flight model.
it’s super easy for the likes of an F5C to do it never mind an F16A which by comparison to an F4 is a damned UFO lol.
Last outing I took out my F5C i killed 3 MLs and an MLD and 3 phantoms.
Most people don’t really know what to do when a person is close to them, hell not a few hours ago in GRB i bet an F18 with a Netz with 6 mavs and a Jdam on it cause he didn’t know what to do once I had gotten into the pocket.
Completely lol.
The Su30 vibing at 13.3 is absolutel shocking, and in my opinion most ARh carriers could and should move up with a large decompression wave, moving the top tiers we have now to 15.3 or higher could help with that, followed by moving the likes of the Mig29SMT and mig29M (though it’s only got 60 regular CMS) up as well.
F16s and all the other ARh carriers following suit aswell.
Giving room to the non ARH carrier gen 4s to move back up and away from kerb stomping things like F4 phantoms and mig23s into the dirt.
It has 2 R27ERs which are quite easily defeated if you aren’t just flying brainless.
The R60s are absolutely pathetic compared to aim9Ls tbh
R24 is pretty good for what it is . the issue is the Mig23MLD and ML radar changes with the MTI setting not working on selection.
You quite literally don’t though.
It’s still one of the best air frames in the game for flight characteristics man.
agreed it depends the match completely, in 12.7 matches it’s actually still viable and can swing a game, in 13.0 / 13.3 just play on a wing and a prayer.
Bar maybe a su30 it can maybe pull it off due to the HMD and R73 and how much it can throw itself around, but in any form of sustained fight it’ll lose.
Cries in F4E right now xD
Gotta love that most forum posts about moving strong stuff down are simply due to the player being bad with it.
Seen a dude the other day saying to move ariete to 11.3 cause it’s armour is non existent (which is true) but it gets to keep the damn DM53 xD imagine being in a 10.3 coming across a 5 second loaded tank sligning DM53, with gen 2 commander and gunner thermals, and actually okay survivability.
Not great but okay
Can speak from experience with MKK and facing MK2/MKK in F-16A, you really cant throw yourself around in premium Su30 that much even with AoA button, so if the F-16A preflares while going vertical, it will fold you like fresh laundry.
Its best to never let them merge if you can help it.
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hence the maybe man, though i did just do exactly that 20 minutes ago in GRB and folded a Su30 like a wet paper towel in my Netz. Which Isn’t even a block ten is it.
Yup though it’s difficult to keep a good F16 pilot off you lol. bar grabbing alt and full throttling away
How so?
Many vics under the f16 have better loadouts and can kill it easy.