My point is, i think a skilled a F-16C / F-15C player can deal with absolutely any air threat they come up against. I think a skilled F-16C / F-15E player can deal with absolutely any ground threat they come up against (Obvious mention to Pantsir being harder - but Pantsir is a balancing anomaly everyone struggles with).
I cannot say the same about other countries. Everyone else has a serious shortcoming (or outright absence of capability) in either A2A or A2G. US ‘problems’ are micro-disadvantages against cherry picked threats in cherry picked scenarios. Everyone else pushes for parity or near parity whereas many (not all) US players only ever seem to push for dominance.
ok but the problem is a skilled j10 player vs a skilled f15 player the j10 is gonna win most of the time same with the improved baz and the grippen and the f15jm and the mirrage 2000, in skill based environments you see a lot less us planes and a lot more of the others, and while skilled f15e and f16c can deal with a pantsir theres no skill requirement from the Russian side when it comes to cas
The delta / canards will always hold an avantage in the 1v1 CQB knife fights and that’s something US players (or operators of US aircraft) just have to deal with long term and adapt to avoid. Even when US get’s it’s 5th gens, the likes of Typhoon / Rafale will still be doing that to them.
The lack of adequate BLUFOR SPAA is a huge, separate issue though i agree.
extremely well said
the lack of awareness of reality that other nations go through, along with the main USA’s insatiable desire to always have the best nation, with a gigantic base player that makes a lot of noise… is a recipe for disaster
If the aam4 is so much better, why do F15J(M) players prioritize using the aim120 instead of the aam4 in the air superiority tournament?
Why do the vast majority of F15J(M) players not use aam4, but rather aim120?
Probably because of strategy. AMRAAMs still hold the range advantage and in the tournament the F-15J(M)s were used as long range high altitude support while the J-10s and M2Ks were bait and knife fighting at low alt.
With the role the F-15s were given, they didn’t need the maneuverability increase since they played long range and tried to avoid getting close and the AMRAAMs slight range advantage is better for that purpose. Some were still using the AAM-4 though.
weren’t you the ones coping about your plane not being “historically accurate” when every top tier plane in israel is missing alot of munitions they should have. its simply the fact you guys cope and get what you want and israel doesnt
The big issue with US mains is they outright refuse to play any other nation that isnt the US and this leads to them throwing a hissy fit every patch that they dont get the best vehicle, like if france got the Rafale before the UK got the Typhoon it’d be annoying but I’d just grind out the Rafale and play that until the Typhoon gets added meanwhile a US main would spend the next 3 months whining on the forum endlessly that they didnt get the F-22 to compete with the Rafale.
Some people don’t have the time to grind out another tech tree. Its why I advocated for the -229 engines for the F-15E because I don’t wanna have to grind out an entire air tree just to experience an F-15 with the -229 when historically the US also had the -229.
Saying “just grind another nation” is a bit tone deaf and missing the point.
The US doesn’t even have the best vehicle and yet no one is complaining so I’m not sure your statement is correct. The F-15J(M) is currently the best. Its lighter than the F-15C, has AAM-3, and AAM-4s.
If you’ve got time to whine on the forum for 3 months youve got time to grind out an air tree it doesn’t even take a week to get toptier air with a premium if you base bomb
Its not, this game has 10 playable main nations and you chose to play only one thats on you, you cant expect gaijin to be hand feeding you the best toptiers every patch thats tone death and missing the point
Tye F-15JM is not lighter than the C its quite literally just the MSIP for japan also AAM-4 are worse than Aim-120s they weigh significantly more than AMRAAMs the only thing correct is that the AAM-3 is better than the 9M but only marginally you’d only notice the difference if you’re chasing a guy because of the slightly higher range meanwhile the F-15C gets access to guided weapons and JDAMs its a trade off one that arguably favours the americans more because the difference between AAM-3 and 9Ms is so miniscule
Missed the point again. Its not about getting the best top tier. Its about getting domestic vehicles. Why should the US not get a domestic vehicle while another nation gets the exact same thing? Why not just give both nations the vehicle?
^ F-15J(M)
^ F-15C
Weight isn’t everything. The AAM-4 has vastly better maneuverability, trading off a bit of range.
The AAM-3 has overall lower drag while also pulling harder. Its just straight up a better missile.
I was talking about in context to ARB since this thread is about ARB. But sure the F-15J(M)'s only disadvantage is not getting viable CAS loadouts, I’ll give you this one.
Sadly, American mains have positioned themselves exactly in this spot, they can just whine and cry on forums, reddit and pollute the bug reporting forum too, just to get their way, without supporting or offering a possible alternative that serves to assist both sides of the argument (F-15E gets engines, which it did but the F-15I apparently shouldn’t get AGMs because it makes it more powerful than the E again???)
And before any US mains jump down my throat, where is the 1000+ poll to give the F-15I domestic weaponry/Mavericks, No where, because if they truly cared about the strike eagle as an aircraft (and not just their specific variant of it) then there would be equal support for both.
