i agree with you on most of what you said but the point im saying is the US already isnt some in game monolith of air power, and i dont think the f15E is gonna make some huge change to that fact because its just the best at carrying bombs in air br while still being an ok fighter, in every other category there are better planes you can pick so i dont see how being the best at 1 thing makes the US suddenly too op
I could not disagree more.
F16C / F15C / F15E as a roster is without equal. It’s the only country without shortcomings in both A2A and A2G. Every single one of of those is viable and competitive.
UK / SWE / ITA only have Gripen. GER has nothing. JAP has F15JM. RU will have Su-34 but their fighters are on the weaker end. China has J10. ISR will have Barak, Baz and Ra’am (But both Barak and Ra’am are worse than their US counterpart, Even Baz is just an upgrade F15A - Not an F15C)
Noone is comparable to both the quality and quantity US enjoys rn, yet many US players act like they are suffering more than anyone else. I don’t get it.
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i can see where your coming from in terms of how many good planes the us has even if each individual planes isn’t the best, but air rb isnt a linup based gamemode you can only spawn 1 plane at a time, so for ground rb linup f16c plus f15E is pretty cracked but thats the only place where lineup matters
My point is, i think a skilled a F-16C / F-15C player can deal with absolutely any air threat they come up against. I think a skilled F-16C / F-15E player can deal with absolutely any ground threat they come up against (Obvious mention to Pantsir being harder - but Pantsir is a balancing anomaly everyone struggles with).
I cannot say the same about other countries. Everyone else has a serious shortcoming (or outright absence of capability) in either A2A or A2G. US ‘problems’ are micro-disadvantages against cherry picked threats in cherry picked scenarios. Everyone else pushes for parity or near parity whereas many (not all) US players only ever seem to push for dominance.
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ok but the problem is a skilled j10 player vs a skilled f15 player the j10 is gonna win most of the time same with the improved baz and the grippen and the f15jm and the mirrage 2000, in skill based environments you see a lot less us planes and a lot more of the others, and while skilled f15e and f16c can deal with a pantsir theres no skill requirement from the Russian side when it comes to cas
The delta / canards will always hold an avantage in the 1v1 CQB knife fights and that’s something US players (or operators of US aircraft) just have to deal with long term and adapt to avoid. Even when US get’s it’s 5th gens, the likes of Typhoon / Rafale will still be doing that to them.
The lack of adequate BLUFOR SPAA is a huge, separate issue though i agree.
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Which is compensated by more thrust. Lighter does not always mean better. If that were the case the R-darter/Derby, Micas would be the best ARH.
extremely well said
the lack of awareness of reality that other nations go through, along with the main USA’s insatiable desire to always have the best nation, with a gigantic base player that makes a lot of noise… is a recipe for disaster
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You speak as if the thrust/weight ratio does not exist
The AAM-4 has a higher TWR on the booster phase while also being almost twice as long. AMRAAM has a higher TWR on the sustainer phase.
If the aam4 is so much better, why do F15J(M) players prioritize using the aim120 instead of the aam4 in the air superiority tournament?
Why do the vast majority of F15J(M) players not use aam4, but rather aim120?
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Probably because of strategy. AMRAAMs still hold the range advantage and in the tournament the F-15J(M)s were used as long range high altitude support while the J-10s and M2Ks were bait and knife fighting at low alt.
With the role the F-15s were given, they didn’t need the maneuverability increase since they played long range and tried to avoid getting close and the AMRAAMs slight range advantage is better for that purpose. Some were still using the AAM-4 though.
because once a missile reaches adequate manoeuvrability that it cannot be simply kinetically dodged, range and energy becomes king
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Just play the U.S . Yall cope too much. This won’t change what gaijin is doing for profit.
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weren’t you the ones coping about your plane not being “historically accurate” when every top tier plane in israel is missing alot of munitions they should have. its simply the fact you guys cope and get what you want and israel doesnt
The big issue with US mains is they outright refuse to play any other nation that isnt the US and this leads to them throwing a hissy fit every patch that they dont get the best vehicle, like if france got the Rafale before the UK got the Typhoon it’d be annoying but I’d just grind out the Rafale and play that until the Typhoon gets added meanwhile a US main would spend the next 3 months whining on the forum endlessly that they didnt get the F-22 to compete with the Rafale.
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buuuut muuuuhhh my abroooms suuuffferrss!!
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Some people don’t have the time to grind out another tech tree. Its why I advocated for the -229 engines for the F-15E because I don’t wanna have to grind out an entire air tree just to experience an F-15 with the -229 when historically the US also had the -229.
Saying “just grind another nation” is a bit tone deaf and missing the point.
The US doesn’t even have the best vehicle and yet no one is complaining so I’m not sure your statement is correct. The F-15J(M) is currently the best. Its lighter than the F-15C, has AAM-3, and AAM-4s.
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If you’ve got time to whine on the forum for 3 months youve got time to grind out an air tree it doesn’t even take a week to get toptier air with a premium if you base bomb
Its not, this game has 10 playable main nations and you chose to play only one thats on you, you cant expect gaijin to be hand feeding you the best toptiers every patch thats tone death and missing the point
Tye F-15JM is not lighter than the C its quite literally just the MSIP for japan also AAM-4 are worse than Aim-120s they weigh significantly more than AMRAAMs the only thing correct is that the AAM-3 is better than the 9M but only marginally you’d only notice the difference if you’re chasing a guy because of the slightly higher range meanwhile the F-15C gets access to guided weapons and JDAMs its a trade off one that arguably favours the americans more because the difference between AAM-3 and 9Ms is so miniscule
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Not even comparable.
Missed the point again. Its not about getting the best top tier. Its about getting domestic vehicles. Why should the US not get a domestic vehicle while another nation gets the exact same thing? Why not just give both nations the vehicle?
^ F-15J(M)
^ F-15C
Weight isn’t everything. The AAM-4 has vastly better maneuverability, trading off a bit of range.
The AAM-3 has overall lower drag while also pulling harder. Its just straight up a better missile.
I was talking about in context to ARB since this thread is about ARB. But sure the F-15J(M)'s only disadvantage is not getting viable CAS loadouts, I’ll give you this one.
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