It was a new production F-15E base airframe vs the original 80’s US F-15E with whatever upgrades the US did, and if you did put a 90’s production USAF strike eagle vs a 90’s F-15I you’d see it’s way closer than you think
Israeli ECM and avionic tech is simply better than the american equivalent, if this wasn’t the case then they wouldn’t bother paying a higher premium for unrestricted access to the airframes, plus they aren’t export restricted like other strike eagle exports so there is a clear disparity in favour of israel here
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F-15J(M) has had many domestically-designed improvements such as a new RWR (J/APR-4A) and later upgrading the avionics giving it the capability to use AAM-4 and AAM-3 air-to-air missiles, and now AAM-5.
Japan’s electronics industry is very strong. After all, they were the first to operate AESA radars on a fighter aircraft (Mitsubishi F-2) and the first to use miniature AESA radar on a missile (AAM-4B). So I wouldn’t doubt that they’ve reached parity with the US in some ways. 1970-80s Japan was an economic and technological powerhouse.
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F-15E had ECM, and even if it was worse it’s still the ECM systems made for the 1985 f15E vs 1997 F-15I ECM systems. and afaik they didn’t change avionics untill a bit later since the current one was more than good enough
I think it’s an issue of offset introduction and development, it’s been a bit of a back and forth with who has the better one
@quartas121 I’m not saying that american tech is bad in any way, but surely you can grasp the concept that modification actually does improve how an aircraft performs, and these mods are performed more deeply/commonly in Israel and Japan than in america, if you where campaigning that the korean or singaporean strike eagle is worse than the US one then i might understand, but in this situation you are simply incorrect
True, and though the aam4b still isn’t matched by US missiles (though maybe the aim260 has an AESA seeker) Japan has fallen behind in fighter AESA.
This is not to say they aren’t really good with electronics because they are
don’t know what you’re trying to say here, all NATO aircraft have some form of EW/ECM, that’s standard, but Israel is famously good at developing missile defense and jamming software, and you can’t just deny that because you are patriotic
I was talking about sim controls, but go off. If you’re dying because one guy has ~3% lower EMPTY weight - setting aside leftover fuel, leftover CMs, leftover missiles (both AAM-3 and AAM-4 are heavier vs US counterparts, 4x AAM-4s alone increases weight by ~300kg vs 4x AIM120, AAM-3s are another +7kg each vs 9M) - then I don’t know what to tell you.
That is a miniscule difference and the heavier missiles almost entirely compensate for it.
btw its missing MAWS
They will pull that AoA even if the target is far away. They are easier to bleed of speed due to this with specific maneuvers.
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factually incorrect, do you have anything to back up what you’re saying now?
How did you turn this into me dying lol. The entire point is that the F-15JM is better even if its marginal and thats it nothing more. You’re reading into it too much.
What? Missiles don’t pull max AoA unless they need to.
Since J/APG-1 how many japanese fighter AESA radars have been developed? 1, which is the J/APG-2. Compare to the amount of US AESA fighter radars since the an/apg63v2 which was our first? 5, not including any upgrades like an apg 63v3 or an APG 77v1
The US still has great tech and by far the biggest defense industry in the world, with the biggest defense budget in the world, ofc they are gonna overtake in AESA tech
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Yes, I understand this, but still the USAF strike eagles have undergone huge upgrades, comparable to Israeli and Japanese ones.
For example the upgrades to avionics that most every US jet gets over time, F-15E and I in current service both are gonna have advanced digital displays and HMD, and now the US one might have better EW right now due to pretty recent improvements
That’s the implication. Tournament players use it therefore its the best therefore it mogs everything else (it doesn’t).
And that “marginal” is still pulling a lot of weight. If there were no datamines and you just never told anyone, I don’t think anyone would notice. Maybe the pro duelling groups would find that the JM has a tiny advantage but would still be well within player or even instructor variance.
And again, this is almost exactly the same difference as between the F-15A and J, and I really haven’t seen anyone complain about that. Or even really mention it. (because it doesn’t matter)
Missiles always pull more than their target to go on an intercept path. AAM-4s will bleed more speed doing so. If the enemy starts cranking it will soon be very noticeable.
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Any country would if they were in the same situation as Israel, they have to so they stay largely dominant in the region.
Hence why its marginal.
Because its marginal. I don’t think you understand. I’m not complaining that the F-15JM is better. I’m simply stating the fact.
I don’t care if the F-15JM is better.
They do, but a missile with higher AoA does not mean it will always pull high AoA. It will only pull high AoA if it needs to, usually close range.
AIM-54’s are Phoenix radar guided missiles that allow American Aircrafts to shot behind them selves and don’t rely on infrared to track a target. So that when people pull cobras or go to towards the sun the missiles doesn’t lose track and it is less likely to go after an ally.
You can’t fire a Phoenix at something behind you
Apparently America figured out a way to do it because that is a point of supremacy for the enemy so they wanted to get rid of that advantage and made I don’t know if it is the Aim-54 or another be able to fire at something behind you
Idk where you’re hearing that mate, but it’s not true.
Aim-54’s require the mother aircraft (Tomcat) to pick up the target on its own radar first - and Tomcat’s radar only looks forward.
Aim-54’s have very low pull ability too, their turning circle to swing 180° would be gigantic. Not practical at all.
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It’s some new missle for the F-22’s and 35’s