1st, i don’t get why we advocating for the removal of its 9Ms anyways, and even if it did, its still better than the 9-12 and the AJ lol.
F-15A being an undertiered 12.7 while 13.0 being a compressed shitshow can both be a thing. just because 90% of the time the F-15A faces MKK doesn’t mean it is balanced when it faces ML/MLDs.
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Harrier
Mirage 4K
MiG-29
F-14
F-5
JH-7
All worse aircraft
just to name a few
Hell, even the Kfir C.10 would be worse than it while still at 13.0 tbh.
Stuck with 4 derbies and a 3rd gen fm
But god forbid an american plane have a meh radar for the br
ARH slingers, they objectively get a tactical advantage by not having to illuminate the F-15A/J/Baz, while forcing the F-15 on the defensive permanently.
Equal DF FM, same mediocre level of radar. I’ve always advocated for recompression on the M4K.
R-73s/R-27ERs.
Phoenixes.
It gets PL-12s, same principle as legacy ARH slingers.
I swear guys, you’re making a storm in a glass of water. The first batch of F-15s are really not that amazing to be that glazed on. Maybe the F-15J with its AAM-3s, but it’s a stretch still.
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Meh radar, meh missiles, meh FM.
How delusional do you have to be to think Derbys (Fox-3s) are worth less than Aim-7Ms? (Fox-1s)
Mig-29 (9-13) has worse fm and rwr. only 2 ERs while 73s are objectively worse for general ARB compared to 9Ms which hit people reliably in the multipath
F-14’s phoenixes at 12.7 is defeated by simply going cold
JH-7A, not JH-7A2. regular JH-7A is 12.3 with 4 IRCCM missiles.
Is there single mode where pangolin ever does well?
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Derbies on a 3rd gen frame like an F-5 or god forbid, the M-346, is not very good. Especially when 13.3 F-16D exists with 2-4 more derbies compared to both with a better fm and 165 countermeasures.
notch till merge…
lmfao no.
2 ERs are no real threat from a MiG-29 long term.
R-73’s are only relevant in a df scenario here which the F-15A stomps the MiG-29 in anyways
two max, same concept as R-27ER on MiG-29, but you can sparrow roll them.
seriously?
The literal worst Fox-3 overall.
with a TWS HDN radar…
you could not have picked a worse argument here
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it’s literally the second best american flight model in the game.
the second best fm from 12.3 till 12.7 (only F-16A beats it here)
Don’t misquote me.
I never mentioned the tornado, nor did I list aircraft that way.
That is putting words into my mouth
Even so, that is correct. Harrier, tornado and F-5 are worse than the F-15A.
Harrier: subsonic shitbus with just 4 AIM-120s and then 2 9Ms
F-5: it’s a 3rd gen flight model with 45 countermeasures, and two Fox-3s max, then 2 9Ms.
Tornado: Mate, it’s a tornado. Need I say more
This is a list of all current 12.7s in the game. Besides the hornets (which are kinda side/downgrade to the F-15s due to having 7Ps but no 9Ms with barely mach 1 fm) no other plane is worth picking over an F-15A variant.
Edit: missed yak-141, but the point stands.
When you reduce any engagement on a vacuum and subvert the nature of 16v16 to prove a point shows how weak your argument is.
In a 1v1, an F-15 can be even good and competitive on its own terms. In a 16v16, without HMS, a mediocre radar and a kit w/sparrows? Hell no. It’s fine at 12.7. First decompress 13.0 before talking about moving anything else up.
I don’t get your argument. Its ok to argue its not fine at 12.7 and advocate for decompression of 13.0 instead of this weird middle stance we’re having.
This is true.
It is not fine at 12.7
and we need decompression
Also, not having HMS is so weird, like, most other planes of 13.0/13.3 don’t have them either. Its not a unique problem of the F-15A.
since the second to last BR change, I’ve made up my mind the next way: If Gaijin didn’t wanted to decompress the premium SU-30s to make them sale-worthy (past sales), I even prefer recompression in some cases, considering 12.7-13.7 is literally made for premiums to stomp.
Give us decompression, and I’ll applaud. Don’t do anything? Recompress stuff, no tech tree plane at those BRs deserve to be flying piñatas.
“Since gaijin don’t want to make the game better, I prefer for the game to be even worse” is a take I don’t think I’ll ever get.
Like you can’t advocate for decomp then tell people “its ok that some planes get to compress stuff even further actually.” That’s just backwards.
Do you put out a fire by adding more oil? Why are we “decompressing” via “compressing certain planes”
If you think your or my stance on decompression would change things, you’re clearly beyond naive.
We’ve asked for decompression for years now, and Gaijin still acts depending on their wallets. The only logical thing to ask for is to at least not make the things around their interests more miserable.
Fine, let’s go 16v16.
F-15A has more missiles than pretty much all these aircraft, more countermeasures, faster, holds speed better and even has a better rwr than many.
All of which are more important in 16v16.
Need I point out Harrier which you seem to think is better doesn’t have HMD, is slow so can’t leave fights or dictate an engagement effectively and has giga hot engines which make flaring difficult (not to mention slow which makes seeker shutoff a problem too)
F-5 with just 4 missiles max and 45 countermeasures while on slower fm, great for 16v16 truly
MiG-29 with SPO-15, less missiles and less countermeasures
F-16AJ: comparable radar, slightly better fm, 46 cms and much worse missile kit
Tornado: literal shitbrick without HMD… what does it do in a 16v16? That’s right, spam missiles and then die because it can’t do anything else.
Mirage 4K literally only has 3 degrees of vertical scan…