Wouldn’t be as big of a problem if literally any other country had a similar vehicle. But 2 years later and still no MiG-31.
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I use it a lot WVR against Aim-7F/Ms as well, no F-14 is gonna touch me.
I’ll give it a shot when I resume the IRIAF14 grind tomorrow after work
You don’t have to do any fancy shmancy maneuver to beat the Aim54.
When you see the trails coming from the F-14, turn away for 15 seconds or so. The HDN TWS is literally incapable to see anything going cold. Keep your speed up, just turn away for a few seconds, maybe drop a chaff, and then change your direction slightly so the IOG doesn’t pick up from your previous position.
Trying to notch the missile itself can be a pain in the ass, because sometimes their relative aspect is completely different than the F-14 (due to travel time and the F14 moving), so you end up eating it because you thought you where notching when the missile was in reality at 45° aspect from you.
Just make the F14 blind, once you got some distance between his initial TWS scan and an eventual relock, the 54 will be too far to relock anyway.
And with their gigantic warhead, trying to beat the 54 kinematically is a gamble. Worst case you just get splashed and need to go RTB since those things apparently need to explodes like a nuclear warhead.
Mig-31 is F-14D equivalent TBH, which also isn’t added.
the missile itself is very capable of chasing rear aspect, its the F-14’s radar that would suffer, but if the aim54 is still on a close enough course it will pick you up when it pitbulls
there are LOTS of planes at 13.0 without AIM-9M and without Fox 3. F14B will do just fine at 13.0 without adding new missiles to it. Same goes for F14A might get an AIM-9L
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I don’t see why F-14B shouldn’t be brought to parity with the F-15 at the same BR and be given 9M if it was made 13.0
you might be right overall but also you are ignoring the advantage of ARH itself.
No. IR missile can’t be a replacement for SARH/ARH.
Also, compared to F-4J/S which can use 6 AIM-7F (can trade 4 AIM-9G/H with 2 AIM-7F), or 5 AIM-7F + 1 AIM-9G/H… F-4EJ Kai has limited weaponry options. only restricted with 4/4 loadout.
Feels like you are talking just like ‘F-4S and F-4J(UK) are the same because they can have 8 missiles in total.’ or ‘Belgium F-16A and F-16AM are the same because they can have 6 total missiles’ to me.
F-14 and F-4EJ Kai might be ‘similar’ in weaponry, but still not the same.
Stop saying ‘similar’ as ‘same’. you keep hyperbole and blurring the points pal.
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slightly out of topic though, I think F-15A & JAS39A should be placed higher BR than F-16ADF or Netz.
If it can’t go directly up cause Su-27 have HMS while F-15A don’t…
we can decompress the BR and put F-15A into 13.15-ish BR.
after that, we can talk about sending F-14B into the current 13.0 position (tie with F-16ADF)
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I don’t even know what the other unspoken one said but I believe you can definitely have two jets that belong at the same BR because 1 has much stronger IR missiles than the other and vice versa with the other having better SARH missiles.
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yeah it should have been raised to 14.0 or 14.3 to allow F-15A/GripenA to have their own BR
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@Stockholm_Blend
If the British F-4s had access to 7Fs as well, that’d be true.
I still posted no hyperbole on the subject of F-14.
F-14B is inferior to all 13.0 aircraft in the game, and all 12.7s would have to go to 13.0 with it.
F-14B doesn’t have the radar nor missiles for 13.0.
F-14D is the F-15A and 9M-equipped F-16 equivalent F-14.
There’s a reason when I went into simulator against F-14A, they couldn’t do anything against me.
There’s a reason the only radar missile deaths I get are AMRAAMs and SARHs.
AIM-54 was never a threatening missile and still isn’t.
Oh, and obviously EJ Kai is superior to F-14A with current loadouts and capabilities. The fact they’re the same BR is hilarious.
F-14A and F-14B should have 0.7 BR of separation, and 13.0 is filled with aircraft superior to F-14B…
Obviously F-4J doesn’t dogfight as well as F-14A so those two have to remain 0.3 apart.
F-4E/J, F-14A, and Tornado F3 all have time to climbs within a few seconds of each other.
F-4J, F-14A, and Tornado F3 have similarly effective radars.
Tornado F3 has superior IR missiles, inferior radar missiles.
F-4J and F-14A are identical anti-fighter weapon loads.
F-4J dogfights middle, Tornado doesn’t, and F-14A dogfights good enough.
F-14B is with stuff like F-20A, F-16A, and Mig-29. 2 WVR aircraft, one of which having a rather superior airframe, and a few really good BVR-WVR fighters from Mikoyan with bad RWRs for sim.
Too sad that Gaijin’s recent BR decompressing was done in annoyance and ended up with +2 steps on almost all of the planes which affected by decompression.
Decompressing itself is better than doing nothing but sadly, the latest decompression feels eh, almost like trickery. :|
it just felt lazy
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I know, that’s why I said “Give them both 9M and get them away from 12.0-12.7 planes”.
even the fact it might be not a threatening missile, but you need to act to evade it. right?
and it will cost a fair amount of chaff and be in a worse position than before notching.
AIM-54 might not be a ‘power move’ of F-14 but still gives an advantage against counterparts thanks to its long-range capability which only 27ER might counter.
AIM-54 → AIM-7F → Dogfight combo usually makes 3Gen having a nightmare. cornering the prey and taking its pitiful life.
And,
We never claimed that they were all liar.
Don’t use them as shields to defend you.
Also,
Why do you just keep saying DCS Bleh, DCS Blah, DCS Bluh?
This is ‘War Thunder’ and we are on ‘War Thunder Forum’, not ‘Digital Combat Simulator’ and ‘ED Forum’
I don’t mean to humble you, but do you have pride in being a DCS player by any chance?
If it is true, Why do you play War Thunder but not DCS while you show your pride in ‘being a DCS player’
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that’s because F-14B deserves 13.7, not that it should be at 13.0 with new missile. I’m just justifying getting that plane away from SARH as much as possible.
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To my myself clear:
I am accepting everyone’s experiences using and against AIM-54.
I also accept my own use of AIM-54 against low altitude targets I think are bombing [they are].
I understand its threat against both real players and suspected non-real players that are bombing, and that is a large amount of its frags.
Now… as for defeating the ARH as a non-BVR playstyle:
I go directly toward the battlefield straight in while terrain following.
Except Sinai, all maps have terrain features that allow this.
That defeats the vast majority of F-14 pilots.
Once in a blue moon they’ll climb high enough on Golan Heights or Vietnam, and that’s what flying straight in is for.
When you notch you’re notching toward your friendly furball, thus losing no position and in-fact are gaining positional advantage.
F-14s act the same as F-4Js outside 4km.
Also R-27ER cannot counter ARHs.
I’m not the one that came up with these takes, and I’m not going to take credit for something other people discovered long before me, and in the case of the US military they discovered this in the 1970s and 1980s… before I was born.
I have no pride in anything related to the discussions here, not sure why your post is so addicted to DCS…
They can if you know how to exploit the fact that they don’t have the range of an ER and ARH are basically SAHR up until they go pitbull meaning they also require guidance.
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