You don’t even have to notch to defeat Phoenixes. Just try and jink it.
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F-16As with Sparrows are experiencing compression right now. The J-8F is fine where it is, it literally has the 2nd best Fox 3 missile in the game.
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Those were launched at a very sub-optimal range. You probably could have outrolled them. And still you went from Mach 1 to 0.75 and lost all your altitude. Even an out-of-envelope Phoenix had that much of an impact on your position.
It’s a perfect example of what I meant - you won’t die to it but it forces you into a much worse situation with minimal input from the F-14.
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How would you know?
I was airbraking in some parts because I have a level 6 crew so I had to slow down so I wouldn’t pass out every 2 seconds.
I lost a bit of speed and my altitude in exchange for not getting hit by 3 Phoenixes, I think that’s a good trade.
The problem is that people refuse to learn how to evade these missiles. You can out-maneuver them, notch them, run away, or just take a different path and not fly in a straight line to bomb bases.
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Btw any plane with an R-27ER can out range a Phoenix. Also the multipath changes are not limited to just the Phoenix, it helped all radar missiles.
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It literally says the distance on each of the F-14s.
The problem is that people refuse to learn how to evade these missiles. You can out-maneuver them, notch them, run away, or just take a different path and not fly in a straight line to bomb bases.
Did you even read my post?
any plane with an R-27ER can out range a Phoenix
An R-27ER requires a continuous lock, which means you have to fly in a way that’s visible to any Phoenix fired at you. But once the AIM-54 goes pitbull the Tomcat can just do a 180 and defeat the 27ER, meanwhile you have wasted a precious missile while still having one homing in on you. The only scenario where an R-27 can take down a conscious F-14 is when fired at max range and catching him while he’s still trying to get good launches before he turns away.
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I don’t have distance on for enemies. If you’re talking about Phoenixes, distance travelled is different because I continuously forced the missiles to travel longer by always offsetting my direction. Also fooling the enemy F-14s on firing their Pheonixes at a longer distance by flying high.
Yes I did.
Not really. You can fire an R-27ER and stealth guide it. You can also fire an R-27ER at a much longer distance and manually loft it. Lofting on the Phoenix never works 100% of the time, sometimes it lofts and sometimes it doesn’t or sometimes it lofts for like 2 seconds.
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I find the multipath to work quite great against AIM-54’s
The current F-14A is labeled as “early” but it’s more of an amalgamation of several F-14As throughout their service life, I think it would be fine.
If you had both Pheonixes and SARHs fired at you something went very wrong with your positioning. The F-14 should fight other 4th gens but to stay competitive it needs all aspect and IRCCM missiles for their respective variants.
In 90% of games, there isnt terrain to hide behind. Phoenixes will still splash you even if they land in narnia after missing. Shrapnel shouldnt be spraying everywhere if they hit the ground.
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They modeled it from 1977 SAC but, they still can get AIM9Ls because U.S. Navy tested it in China Lake with F-14A at same year.
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F-14A after vietnam war
F-14A (2001) bombcat upgraded mounted AIM-9L
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Fly low and just noching bro
2x AIM-9M stock instead AIM-9L, change cockpit & HUD from F-14D. and could add AIM-9M-8 Sidewinder & AIM-7P Sparrow
Or change to 13.0 for 3 mode
I play most nations so dont accuse me of being an american main but
In what way? speed, its not the fastest
maneuverability? f16/mig29/f15/gripen dance on it, its big and heavy
missiles? maybe
these are all great options and ive played all but the f4ej kai.
the tomcat is huge with massive hot engines, all of these have AIM-9L python 3 or magic 2, which can easily ignore the tomcats flares because of the heat.
Also the SUPER 530D and Skyflash SuperTEMP are better than the AIM-7F/M the tomcats have.
The MiG-29, which you havent mentioned is at the same br as the F14B. also has the R27ER, which is alot better than the Sparrow and Phoenix on the tomcat, its faster and has way more maneuverability. And if you loft it, you can get 60km kills, just like the tomcat can, but far more reliably.
yes, these are all great options and i do well in all but the bison(i dont have it)
Their really not a threat, if you get locked, just turn 90 degrees either way and drop chaff, if its fired from further then turn cold and afterburn, it has no speed by this point, then go low then verticle and loop back over, the missile wont be able to climb to hit you, or just hide behind a mountain, theres alot now on the bigger maps, their not as flat.
and worse case scenario, just out pull the thing, its a big heavy 17g missile, its not hard to out pull.
Dont try to multipath it, its basically a mach 5 500lbs bomb. it will kill you if your under the 60m multipath limit.
This match up is rare, the f14 only face it in uptiers, the vast and devastating majority of games the f14 faces a 3rd gen plane, in the br range that the f14A/B finds itself in, or more frequent 4th gen planes that it faces is the mirage 2000c and yak 141, which are still rare in this br too.
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Popularity is why. Which shouldn’t be a balancing factor.
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Faces what? The MiG-29(9-12) and MiG-29(9-13) are both 12.7 just like the F14B,
The Mirage 2000C-S4/5 are both 12.3, the same br as the F14A, they always see eachother, Yak141 is a much lower 12.0BR
13.0 Gets alot of downtiers, including the F16A ADF MiG-29G Gripen A F16A(France) etc.
Id rather take any of these over a tomcat.
Not to mention the AV-8B Plus and the J8F, which gets AIM-120s and PL-12 respectively, both missiles are better than the AIM-54
But sadly it affects a balancing factor. :/
not directly but it affects to statistics
more players in the player base → higher chance of having worse statistics → lower average reward netting → higher chance of Gaijin thinks ‘it is fine’ or even ‘it is underpowered’.
can’t wait for the day that my Meteor F.8 goes higher BR than F-86F.
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