Except those can’t be solved, and moving the plane up is trivial. Better for one plane to struggle than the entire lobby. You can chalk it up to whatever reason, but if it is the defining factor for winning or losing a game it’s too strong
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I have been fragged once by a phoenix, while I was tabbed out. Don’t project your insecurities about player skill onto others please
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You’re punishing a plane because of a problem it didn’t even cause. Its not the F-14A’s problem that new players dont know how to play the game, or asymmetric match making exists.
Except you’re moving up over 20 planes, not just one.
Meanwhile you’re insulting everyone here.
balanced*
and incorrect. even if it is somewhat kind of a bullshit missile, still it is ARH(which you usually choose the wrong term as ‘AMRAAM’) and the only ARH which can be founded in F-14’s BR radius when it got a down-tier match. of course, it still can fly a lot much farther than real meme missiles like R.530 or Skyflash.
AIM-54 Phoenix still have a somewhat similar problem with AIM-9L on A-10 before BR decompressing. their down-tier planes don’t have proper solution for counter the missile. thanks to mediocre 9BR level RWR or no RWR installed(J35XS).
ah, forgot to say ‘at a worse level’. Unlike A-10A which is easy prey when AIM-9L runs out, F-14 still maintains 4th-gen-ish WVR capability and still can punish the 3rd-gen enemies.
if you really want to keep F-14 into the current BR radius, we might need to remove AIM-54 from them.
You told us that AIM-54 is a useless skill-check missile. right?
and you also told us that AIM-7F is superior to AIM-54A overall. right??
Then it will be no problem to remove AIM-54 from F-14. init?
‘WDYM. it is historical weaponry’ - we have much of examples which can’t access their historical missile for balancing reasons. for example, much of British Cold War jets which are restricted to AIM-9G only while they used AIM-9L in history, or Super Etendard without R.550 Magic 2 might be one of those.
[it is a skill check missile. noobs who got killed by them shouldn’t affect the balancing] - we are experiencing some examples of the average skill level of the player base affecting balancing. F-86A got buffed to 8.0 while historical inferior Meteor F.8 was still stuck at 8.0. Half-jokingly, I think the reason why F-14A didn’t get nerfed compared to its counterpart is a skillless noob who even can’t frag lower than 0.5 planes per match even with F-14A. we all know that America is a popular nation. isn’t it? while skilful players exploit the weak point of balancing in War Thunder.
we might can adapt the solution from A-10A and Su-25. they got a tiny one-step nerfed from before while on recent BR decompressing. they both were attack aircraft which have mediocre efficiency overall but with overpowered missiles. clapped easy kills against ‘flareless outdated junks from down-tier’, ruined the fun of early jets in nearly two years, and finally got lifted up.
Decompressing the BR even more and 3rd gens see even fewer F-14A/B will be a solution.
and
Don’t ever bring Tornado ADV into the F-14 problem, it isn’t an [unable-to-dogfight variant of F-14A]. and F-14A isn’t known as [Tornado F3 that can dogfight]
I told you that you need to stop exaggerating things to blur the points.
If I unlocked my F-14A. I might quit playing Tornado ADV and hop into my brand-new F-14A. 2 extra SARH with a lot much better manoeuvrability. who would hate that?
TMI: it is my reason for grinding F-14AM Ali-cat.
also,
no, he isn’t insulting everyone here. just insulting ‘YOU’
You =/= WT community.
Mister RazerVon, if you really think that You ‘ARE’ the WT community. go meet the doctor.
If you are using this term for just blurring the point or ‘hurr durr who attacked wt community’. Stop.
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Brother, if you see “AlvisWisla” on other thread, DO NOT RESPOND.
That fuck is a concern troll contrarian that will always goes with whatever narrative gaijin have to justify not making their game better.
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I’d rather they buff the Phoenix and give the F-14A 9Ls and then move it up. For the F-14B just slap on 9Ms and buff the Phoenix, move it to 13.0.
I also like this idea. not 100% but acceptable I guess.
but can I have a slight tiny objection?
I think F-14B with 9M and BOL should be somewhat higher BR than Netz or F-16ADF.
13.15-ish (with JAS39A) would be fine I think.
of course, the decompression of the BR is needed at the same time.
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I can’t agree with 13.0, 13.7. that plane is Max BR deserving. give it’s BOL fix, add 9M and be done with it. 13.3 for F-14A since it still can carry Phoenixes, gives it 9M and it’s still gonna be competitive at 13.3.
Plus gripen should be in 13.7 no matter the variant. the BoL, manouverability and the stealth launch ability just trivializes Fox-3.
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of course, I also think 13.0BR seems low
but according to tiny few experience of my Tornado F.3 AOP junk (Tornado ADV with only AIM-9M and AIM-120B added)
13.7 will be too high for them.
maybe a 13.15-ish position or 13.3 will be suited better?
It would be great if Gaijin also added JAS39A an AIM-120.
then we can send all grips into 13.7BR :'|
current 13.0BR is nonsense compared to F-16ADF.
Hmm. If things get decompressed and the Phoenix gets similar lofting performance to IRL then yeah I guess it could go higher than the F-16ADF.
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@Stockholm_Blend
I never once called AIM-54 an Advanced-Medium-Range-Air-to-Air-Missile. Your post already starts with a false accusation that has never happened.
AIM-54 is in the same place today as F-4C’s AIM-7D was for the first month of its use.
AIM-54 is the worst radar missile available to the F-14 for fighting fighter aircraft, removing it would do nothing thus doesn’t need to happen.
It’s already balanced.
This isn’t the CL13 days anymore; aircraft aren’t balanced based on weighted player performance anymore.
If F-14A goes up, ALL 12.3s have to go up; anything else is anti-balance.
Calling for F-14A to move up is the same situation regarding CL13; people were begging for CL13 to go up just cause a squadron was using it.
Gaijin almost went through with it and instead reformatted how vehicles are balanced.
F-14A accelerates slightly slower than Tornado F3.
Tornado F3:
F-14A:
I get that 90%+ of my takes are the same as the broad community’s, but I am not the whole WT community.
I’m just one of ten-thousands of people criticizing the game trying to improve it for the better.
Most of my takes aren’t mine, but ones I adopted after looking into from more knowledgeable people.
And I see @七-十三’s post is claiming that criticizing the game and wanting it to improve is intentionally provocative.
Sad. Not sure why he decided to make posts attacking critics with false accusations today.
People shouldn’t be offended at critiques of War Thunder.
War Thunder needs improving no matter how many people attack myself or others for making critiques…
no no no. no point blurring in my watch.
I never told you that you mistook the AIM-54 as AIM-120.
what I criticize you was, you use AMRAAM in place of ARH(Active-Radar-Homing) term.
If it is really useless, but lots of complaints coming by. then is there a point in keeping AIM-54 into loadout?
I support more about ‘decompressing the BR even more and physically separate F-14A/B from lower BR planes with POS RWR just like A-10/Su-25 way’
but IF YOU REALLY WANT TO KEEP F-14A on 12.3. then seems removing AIM-54 is the only option for me. it will remove complaints. and case solved. right?
not ‘that’ awful but still seems similar to me.
CL13 has gone down, F-86 has gone down, MiG-15/17 has gone down.
but counterpart Mystere, Vampire, and Meteor stayed. cuz Stona told us that ‘their statistics are fine’
Sadly, The CL13 situation is still happening nowadays.
I told you that you need to stop bringing Tornado into the F-14 problem.
We are discussing about F-14. not Tornado. don’t derail the topic step by step.
Tornado problems should be dealt with in different topics.
prove it with proof. I think not.
and damn, you edited that ‘he defending gaijin’ paragraph. :|
Anyway, we were discussing just fine even without you.
not all of your reply but much of it was just full of moving goalposts.
‘Huh? then what about Tornado? what about F-4EJ Kai!’ kind of things. for defending the Tomcats.
at least it seems like that to me. :/
You don’t seem to be helpful in a constructive discussion that everyone else is having.
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AMRAAM/BVRAAM/etc are all the same meaning.
AIM-120 is a specific missile called AIM-120.
And ARH is a methodology.
I never once defended the F-14s in my posts, I exclusively stated facts about them and how F-14B should be 0.7 BRs away from F-14A.
And further decompression from F-4J upward could and likely should occur.
F-4J can and still easily deals with a number of fairly weak targets at 11.0 and 11.3 in the same way F-14A does to 11.3s less often.
I never said I want the F-14A to be a specific objective BR.
I said, rather explicitly, that it needs to be with its kind: The other 12.3s that dominate matches as well as, and in EJ Kai’s case better than, the F-14A.
Whether they go up or struggling aircraft at 11.3 go down.
I’ve been stating this for quite a while, no goalposts moved. Goalposts were always F-14A’s like vehicles, and in the case of F-14B: higher than EJ Kai due to its better dogfight performance.
Right here, me cementing its relative BR to the other 12.3s that are at least equivalently powerful with an initial post.
It was in another F-14 topic where I said J35XS should go down and decompression should occur [likely a locked topic].
It was here later on after that post where I said the same things.
You’re making defense of Gaijin practice of intentionally underBR-ing US air stuff lmfao. what a farce.
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@七-十三
How is decompression “Under-BRing US air stuff”?
In what world is the idea of decompression that…
On top of that, P51H5NA and F-15J/A/Baz are the primary under-BR’d “American” aircraft, 2 of which aren’t in USA’s tech tree.
As I said multiple times over the last 3+ weeks: Further decompression to address weak 11.3s is necessary.
And maybe to address weak 11.0s if F-4J and Tornado F3 are too powerful for them.
Also to separate F-14A from F-14B some more to allow some 12.3s to be in-between F-14A and F-14B.
F-14B stops seeing things 0.7 BRs below F-14A, and F-14A stops seeing weak 11.3s.
You want F-14 at it’s current BR. You’re not for decompression. Any community solution to decompression is everything you’re against. you’re the problem incarnate. I have receipt of you being a shithead in every single community-proposed decompression thread. You’re a farce with 0 community interest in mind. You’re a concern troll with nothing to live for.
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Wrong.
AMRAAM is the nickname of AIM-120. just like Phoenix for AIM-54 or Sparrow for AIM-7.
if you call MICA as ‘AMRAAM’, then do you call R-73 as ‘ASRAAM’?
ASRAAM is ASRAAM(AIM-132), AMRAAM is AIM-120. simple.
seems you are claiming that the US Military are a liar. :P
It seems okay to call it BVRAAM, but to reduce the misunderstanding, it seems better to just sort it out as ‘SARH/ARH’ like everyone else.
Yes. F-4J/S are slightly overpowered nowadays. not good as 12.3 planes but still more powerful than inferior F-4J(UK) shit. thanks to AIM-7F which has a longer range with faster speed in farther. (7F’s Sustainer works while Skyflash-norm doesn’t have any.) or F1C which has bullshit SARH 530F which can easily be defeated by a single chaff drop.
it also needs to go slightly higher than now and should’ve seen fewer inferior jets like F-104S(both norm and ASA), F1C(non-F1CT) or F-4EJ(norm/ADTW)
Then you need to choose the words wisely.
all things that you says sounded like
unless you are a concerned troll. buddy.
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@七-十三
Keep claiming decompression is the problem and evil
All you’re doing is proving all of us correct that F-14A shouldn’t be facing J35XS.
And yes, you have every post where I’ve demanded decompression in decompression topics.
Keep claiming arguing for decompression and improving the game is trolling though.
Keep claiming that decompression is against community interests.
lmfaooo.
Community solution of 0.7 matchmaking range was a perfect solution against the uptier problem but you with your smooth brain rejects everything the community have with 0.7 matchmaking range proposal.
You don’t demand decompression. you demand for people to rage and seethe. you’re a concern troll with nothing to live.
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