No. SPS-K is a 1st generation MiG-21. MIG-21S is a 2nd generation MiG-21. The SPS-K has the tied worst flight model in the game for a MiG-21.
The R-3R is an AIM-9B with a radar seeker. It cannot be fired outside of visual range. It can’t even be fired on the upper end of visual range. It must be fired almost point blank in missile terms. it is quite literally an AIM-9B with a radar seeker.
The R-3R is easily defeated by turning. It is an AIM-9B.
As typical of a jet whose entire purpose is to have a good FM for the BR and sacrifices every other statistic to do so.
What exactly makes you think this jet wouldn’t get curb stomped at 10.0? It’s flareless, can’t turn without losing all of its energy, has no effective missiles besides killing idiots who fly directly into the R-3R at high altitude without trying to turn at all, and did I mention it has no countermeasures???
Cool, I more or less think the same. That said, the MiG-21S does not belong higher than 9.7 in the current state of compression.
So what BR should it be? 8.0 where it can’t be caught by a single jet?
So what BR should they be? So low they can’t be caught by a single jet?
I have never seen a single person fire the R-3R under 4km, nor have I seen them ever miss, it is indeed an AIM-9B with a radar seeker meaning it’s easier to lock and harder to evade and can be fired from better aspects, which is how it’s used.
The speed of the B-66 is not a sight to behold, any determined MiG-15, Sabre or even the Ariete could catch it, especially on the approach to a base. Notice how it also cannot contribute anything to the game, meaning catching it would be a waste of time in the first place despite being the easiest thing ever. The F-105 is slightly faster than the MiG-21S while trading everything else, including missile armament and turn performance, and ALSO has no flares, so why should it be a higher BR? even against the trash4C it loses out in any engagement above 2500m, because of having no viable missile armament, unlike the AIM-7D which the latter gets 4 of
I don’t believe you, this is just blatant misinformation.
It’s easily kinetically dodged regardless as I said.
WHAT? HOW does this make it HARDER to evade? It’s the most basic missile in game with the least kinetic ability. You mean compared to a real AIM-9B? Obviously! My point is that it takes a simple turn to defeat!
No. They can’t.
Every single IR missile in the game (read: ALL) can lock onto a burning missile from ANY aspect.
Sorry I forgot the SPS-K only has two R-60s/R-13Ms, but thats viable at least with the R13-300
Yet it was at 10.0 for ages XD. Whats it tied with? The F-13? Also isnt the R13-300 kinda ahistorical? I heard something about the S being incompatible with the R13-300 engine or something not entirely sure
I fire mine at 1 - 2km that pretty much blasts them like a shotgun lol
They lock onto the massive heat generated by the missile. Because its so small it can do that. Doesnt work 100% of the time, but launch the missile at the enemies missile and DO NOT move. Otherwise the enemy missile will outmaneuver yours and will hit you
I mean every IR missile can lock into an aircraft all aspect too just at like 300 metres, its effectively the same concept just the range is extended because theres a lot of heat and nothing to really shield the heat
A more flexible undetectable AIM-9B with no warning diamond from a front aspect is kind of scary, don’t you think? I don’t think you can evade it when you don’t know it’s coming, unless you conveniently turn before it can catch you without knowing it was launched in the first place
Regarding the B-66, I’m willing to help you test that out (if I can enter custom battles with a min client); get in any 9.0 or even 8.7 jet, and run after my B-66 which is going at max speed (it rips around 1050~1100 IAS), if you can’t catch me in a Sabre or MiG-17 or even a G-91 then there would be a real problem in my judgment, because even MiG-15s split me in half in live matches, and that’s an 8.0-8.3 jet that compresses badly
Interesting, I didn’t know about the rear aspects missiles. I won’t make any huge comments on this technique because I never got to try it, but I imagine it’s kind of inconsistent
The R-3R is always, read: always detectable. It is purely a WVR missile that has to have the MiG-21 approach you to close range to fire. Use your eyeballs. It is only as undetectable as a regular AIM-9B is.
??? Every single missile in game has a warning diamond. Even ATGMs in air RB.
The MAX RANGE is like 5km in a high altitude front aspect shot. You can always see it. You can always turn to avoid it. It is a low agility, low range missile.
On the contrary, the AIM-9B is only launched at me in dogfights where I’m expecting it, under 2km where I can see the diamond before it burns out. But the R-3R has a comparatively longer range without a visible diamond (never saw it when I get splashed at high altitude from a MiG-21S 5km away from me), plus the lack of RWR pings
Yes, they have a warning diamond up close; the R-3R is never employed from warning diamond range when its motor burns for like 2 seconds before the launch aircraft is even spotted
Not really. The biggest thing people get wrong is they try to dodge the missile after launching their one. Usually the missiles wont hit each other. If you fly straight the enemy missile doesnt move much which lets yours hit it
Yeah they’re tricky ones but just got to see if you can spot any signs of high enemies and keep an extra eye on them.
It is always within range but as you said the motor burns out so quickly it is difficult to see it if youre not looking for one, sometimes it can even be difficult determining who its going for if you only catch a split second of it
The R-3R is also only launched when it is expected. You can literally see the MiG-21 coming at 10km. It cannot fire until it’s within ~5km and even then a ~5km shot is doomed to be dodged because the missile has awful kinetics.
You can see the diamond 10km away. The diamond has the same spot range as the plane.
no it doesn’t. you just werent paying attention. the same way you die to a 9b
The MiG-21S cannot fire from this range and hit you.
Alright, I will play at 9.7 to refresh my memory, because I vividly remember being completely incapable of spotting the R-3R (looking straight ahead), completely incapable of spotting the MiG-21S (only spotted within 5km and the launch definitely occured before that) and obviously no RWR action because J-bands are a foreign concept to them. However I am pretty sure these 6km headon launches at high altitude were very possible
Well, my big problem is actually catching it, because even when paying attention I simply could NEVER catch the missile diamond. When I did, I evaded simple as that, it’s not an R-73 after all. But I mostly didn’t.