After the Saab FM nerf id say it was okay at 11.0 if you were an air sweat but not every player is. The majority are casuals. Its more comparable to a slower starfighter that can choose to become a free meal if it turns. Trying to turn fight in the XS is a sure fire way to die as in Air RB its a 16v16 mosh pit 9/10 dogfights are going to get you killed as youll get double teamed so it made the turning of the XS null. So again it was a slower F104 with a worse gun and 12 CM.
The F-5C is a fantastic dogfighter, when it’s used in such a way it is amazing. It used to be at 10.3 predecompression and it absolutely stomped poor 9.3s.
The closest equivalent to the F-5C is the MiG-21SMT, there’s no exact equivalent but it’s close enough. The MiG-21SMT has no place anywhere lower than it is now and frankly with decompression should be higher.
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Well the mig 21´s are fantastic aircrafts and really easy to use.
But keep in mind that rn the F5c gets almost everytime an uptier. Additional the F5c´s rwr cant identify aircraft like mig23´s etc.
And yes its a good dog fighter but be honest, how many real dogfights did you have and just look at the playstiles. Most people dont know how to use the mig 21´s (good for me :D). If you use it right, the f5c has no chance. And thats a fact.
In return if you are flying the f5c and use it as it should be, it just needs a single good j35 or mig21 player and you are dead in one burst. Then your “dog fighter” advantage is completely useless.
Ok use your brain here for a second; if the F-5 gets an uptier every time (it doesn’t) that means every other 10.7 also gets an uptier, which doesn’t happen.
Source: I just played 5 matches in the J-7D and only 2 were uptiers, not even full ones.
Very few RWRs can detect J band until top tier.
That’s just incorrect, the F-5C has consistently proven to be an extraordinary competent dogfighter, even against opponents who are equal in skill to the pilot.
I can just as easily flip this around and say a single F-5 player can make you dead in one burst. The F-5 also has more rounds in the cannons.
A F-111 can kill an F-16A by shooting at it. Does this mean the F-16A’s dogfight advantage is completely useless?
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Of course it gets not as many uptiers now than before. Now (after the patch) are 2 more nations on the same br… (in 13min I know nobody that plays 5 missions)
ok true, but doesn´t change a thing that its one more negative part of the f5c (rwr topic). The j7d detects this band!
it has proven to be a good fighter because first of all there were no fighters than j35xs, j7d, lazur m at its prime time…
secondly you dont seem to understand especially u havent ever played the f5c (your playercard). You seem to look at it from the wrong perspective. Be neutral pls.
thirdly just take a look at the win rates compared to the aircraft and not nation! J7d is much higher there!
the last part doesnt make sense: of course a biplane could kill a f15. But you just have to look at reality. For example I nearly never one burst anybody with my f5c 20mm. The cannons are much weaker than your gsh… (also in firing rate)
And again: i testet it out with another rly good player and the j7d out performs the f5c in dogfight (it shouldn´t)
All in all, i have both aircraft and in both i´m a really good pilot. And out of my 2.500h playtime I can say that the f5c is not compareable to a mig21 (11.0´s) anymore… It was a really good plane but rn its just suffering…
They were over the course of around 40 minutes, I don’t only play while waiting for you to reply.
You are aware it has the SPO-10 right? Kind of unhelpful if it has a grand total of 4 hemispheres.
I am looking at statistics in a spreadsheet.
Please send me the video.
560 20mm rounds with good ballistics vs 250 23mm rounds with bad ballistics.
The 11.0 MiG-21s should be 11.3, the F-5C is entirely capable of being at 11.0 right now, it would be more so if real decompression happened.
The belief that the F-5C needs to go down even more is contradictory to any semblance of balance. It was 10.3 BEFORE the big decompression, putting it back would be like putting the Su-27 back to 12.3.
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The F-5’s guns suck. America shoulda just used the Colt Mk.12s instead of the crappy M39A3s.
Then go buy one and dominate in it and send us the replays so we can be in awe of your greatness… F-5C is way overhyped because of past memory’s of its glory days its kinda meh right now its actually pretty underpowered in a few aspects like thrust for acceleration which is very important in todays meta and it has the absolute worst missiles for its br for some reason ( I guess becaust it is still great if you find someone dumb enough to rate fight you with guns only in a 1vs1 ) anyways it dosent need a br change if it got AIM-9D would be a better change I think . F-5C is still very stronk in any kind of rate fight but thats counter to the current realistic meta
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j7d in 11.0 is ok, but 10.7 is a war crime, this plane never never belonged to this br.
j35xs is ok in 10.7 but in 11.0 is ok too
In my experience playing 10.7/11.0 Germany, it’s almost always an uptier. I think I’ve only had two in the F-104G in all my time spading it.
They’re also way easier to aim and use compared to what Migs and Saabs have.
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I just finished 5 more games in the J-7D and only 2 were full uptiers, the rest were 0.7 downtiers. I’m thinking maybe getting out the Mirage IIIE and seeing if it’s just the nation matchmaker.
Exactly
“No you’re not allowed to argue a point because you didn’t spend 65 dollars”
The AIM-9E is not the worst missile at 10.7 because the F-111A is exclusively limited to AIM-9Bs.
I cannot decipher the rest of your posts meaning so just like the other guys posts rather than making me reply to 2 people
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Sorry but i have to say that someone who hasn´t ever played the F-5C and is just lvl 71 in game and has 1.400 (350 in a J-7D) matches isn´t allowed to say the F-5C is better or worse. My opinion!
“Whhaaaaaaaa noooooooo you can’t make valid arguments because I said sooo whaaaaa”
I knew you weren’t worth engaging with when you said the F-5C should be 10.0, if you cannot argue a point without complaining about the person you are arguing against you shouldn’t be arguing at all.
This is done, have a nice day.
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Sorry I forgot the one strike fighter that gets worse missiles I cant apologize enough for my act of disinformation you should get a job from Gaijin so you can fact check for us…anyways mate I ment to say F-5C dosent need a br reduction but its not god mode when you play it nowadays and it should have missiles that work for its Fighter role …9E’s pretty terrible 10 g pull is pretty lackluster and I dont think a small upgrade is unwarranted considering the other nations F-5A gets 9J’s and flares at exact same br for free so Im fine with the 5C getting 9D’s
this is untrue its guns are its best feature along with its FM ( except its acceleration and top speed)
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The 9Ds would be extra ahistorical, it already has flares that aren’t real and literally could not be
and your point …you say this as im flying an F-16 in japan…
Did I say I was ok with the F-16AJ?
The AIM-9D was not used by the Air Force and is incompatible with their launcher rails, it literally could not have physically happened
Maybe reread everything. There is plenty enough reasons why the F-5C is overtiered…
You just seem to be extremely narrow minded and dont have any experience to talk about this topic. Also I said that Gaijin need to extend the BR´s for a useful change, but u seem to completely ignore it.
When looking at your player card you are a really bad pilot… therefore not a singel argument from you has some weight.