F-4J(UK) Phantom II. Historically Accurate Missile Loadout and Quality of Life Improvements (PART 1)

๐™๐™ค ๐™จ๐™ช๐™ข๐™ข๐™–๐™ง๐™ž๐™จ๐™š ๐™š๐™ซ๐™š๐™ง๐™ฎ๐™ฉ๐™๐™ž๐™ฃ๐™œ ๐™™๐™ž๐™จ๐™˜๐™ช๐™จ๐™จ๐™š๐™™ ๐™ž๐™ฃ ๐™ฉ๐™๐™ž๐™จ ๐™ฉ๐™๐™ง๐™š๐™–๐™™ ๐™–๐™ฃ๐™™ ๐™๐™ค๐™ฅ๐™š๐™›๐™ช๐™ก๐™ก๐™ฎ ๐™ง๐™š๐™–๐™˜๐™ ๐™– ๐™˜๐™ค๐™ฃ๐™จ๐™š๐™ฃ๐™จ๐™ช๐™จ:

  • ๐—ž๐—ฒ๐—ฒ๐—ฝ ๐˜๐—ต๐—ฒ ๐—™-๐Ÿฐ๐—(๐—จ๐—ž) ๐—ฎ๐—ป๐—ฑ ๐—ฎ๐—ฑ๐—ฑ ๐—ถ๐˜๐˜€ ๐˜‚๐—ป๐—ถ๐—พ๐˜‚๐—ฒ ๐˜๐—ถ๐—ด๐—ฒ๐—ฟ ๐—ฐ๐—ฎ๐—บ๐—ผ๐˜‚๐—ณ๐—น๐—ฎ๐—ด๐—ฒ.
  • ๐—š๐—ถ๐˜ƒ๐—ฒ ๐—ฏ๐—ผ๐˜๐—ต ๐˜๐—ต๐—ฒ ๐—™๐—š๐—ฅ.๐Ÿฎ ๐—ฎ๐—ป๐—ฑ ๐—™-๐Ÿฐ๐—(๐—จ๐—ž) ๐—ฎ๐—ฐ๐—ฐ๐—ฒ๐˜€๐˜€ ๐˜๐—ผ ๐˜๐—ต๐—ฒ ๐—ป๐—ฒ๐˜„ ๐—บ๐—ถ๐˜€๐˜€๐—ถ๐—น๐—ฒ๐˜€, ๐—”๐—œ๐— -๐Ÿต๐—Ÿ ๐—ฎ๐—ป๐—ฑ ๐—ฆ๐—ธ๐˜†๐—ณ๐—น๐—ฎ๐˜€๐—ต ๐—ฆ๐˜‚๐—ฝ๐—ฒ๐—ฟ๐—ง๐—˜๐— ๐—ฃ.
  • ๐—œ๐—ป๐—ฐ๐—ฟ๐—ฒ๐—ฎ๐˜€๐—ฒ ๐˜๐—ต๐—ฒ ๐—™-๐Ÿฐ๐—(๐—จ๐—ž)'๐˜€ ๐—ฐ๐—ผ๐˜‚๐—ป๐˜๐—ฒ๐—ฟ๐—บ๐—ฒ๐—ฎ๐˜€๐˜‚๐—ฟ๐—ฒ ๐—ฐ๐—ฎ๐—ฝ๐—ฎ๐—ฐ๐—ถ๐˜๐˜† ๐—ฎ๐˜€ ๐—ฎ ๐—พ๐˜‚๐—ฎ๐—น๐—ถ๐˜๐˜† ๐—ผ๐—ณ ๐—น๐—ถ๐—ณ๐—ฒ ๐—ถ๐—บ๐—ฝ๐—ฟ๐—ผ๐˜ƒ๐—ฒ๐—บ๐—ฒ๐—ป๐˜.
  • ๐—”๐—ฑ๐—ฑ ๐˜๐—ต๐—ฒ ๐—บ๐—ถ๐˜€๐˜€๐—ถ๐—ป๐—ด ๐—ผ๐˜‚๐˜๐—ฒ๐—ฟ ๐˜„๐—ถ๐—ป๐—ด ๐—ฑ๐—ฟ๐—ผ๐—ฝ ๐˜๐—ฎ๐—ป๐—ธ๐˜€ ๐˜๐—ผ ๐—ฎ๐—น๐—น ๐—ฃ๐—ต๐—ฎ๐—ป๐˜๐—ผ๐—บ๐˜€.
  • ๐—ฅ๐—ฒ๐—ฑ๐˜‚๐—ฐ๐—ฒ ๐˜๐—ต๐—ฒ ๐—™๐—š.๐Ÿญโ€™๐˜€ ๐—•๐—ฎ๐˜๐˜๐—น๐—ฒ ๐—ฅ๐—ฎ๐˜๐—ถ๐—ป๐—ด ๐˜๐—ผ ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿญ.๐Ÿณ.

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๐—œ๐—ณ ๐˜†๐—ผ๐˜‚ ๐˜„๐—ฎ๐—ป๐˜ ๐˜๐—ผ ๐˜€๐—ฒ๐—ฒ ๐˜๐—ต๐—ฒ ๐—•๐—ฟ๐—ถ๐˜๐—ถ๐˜€๐—ต ๐—ฃ๐—ต๐—ฎ๐—ป๐˜๐—ผ๐—บ ๐—น๐—ถ๐—ป๐—ฒ ๐—ณ๐—ถ๐—ป๐—ฎ๐—น๐—น๐˜† ๐—ฟ๐—ฒ๐—ฐ๐—ฒ๐—ถ๐˜ƒ๐—ฒ ๐˜๐—ต๐—ฒ ๐—ฎ๐˜๐˜๐—ฒ๐—ป๐˜๐—ถ๐—ผ๐—ป ๐—ถ๐˜ ๐—ฑ๐—ฒ๐˜€๐—ฒ๐—ฟ๐˜ƒ๐—ฒ๐˜€, ๐—ฝ๐—น๐—ฒ๐—ฎ๐˜€๐—ฒ ๐˜€๐˜‚๐—ฝ๐—ฝ๐—ผ๐—ฟ๐˜ ๐˜๐—ต๐—ถ๐˜€ ๐˜€๐˜‚๐—ด๐—ด๐—ฒ๐˜€๐˜๐—ถ๐—ผ๐—ป ๐—ฏ๐˜† ๐˜ƒ๐—ผ๐˜๐—ถ๐—ป๐—ด.

๐™๐™ž๐™ฃ๐™–๐™ก ๐˜ฟ๐™š๐™˜๐™ž๐™จ๐™ž๐™ค๐™ฃ: ๐™„๐™ข๐™ฅ๐™ง๐™ค๐™ซ๐™ž๐™ฃ๐™œ ๐™ฉ๐™๐™š ๐˜ฝ๐™ง๐™ž๐™ฉ๐™ž๐™จ๐™ ๐™‹๐™๐™–๐™ฃ๐™ฉ๐™ค๐™ข ๐™‡๐™ž๐™ฃ๐™š
  • โœ… ๐—œ ๐—ฆ๐˜‚๐—ฝ๐—ฝ๐—ผ๐—ฟ๐˜ ๐—ฎ๐—น๐—น ๐—ฝ๐—ฟ๐—ผ๐—ฝ๐—ผ๐˜€๐—ฒ๐—ฑ ๐—ฐ๐—ต๐—ฎ๐—ป๐—ด๐—ฒ๐˜€
  • โŒ ๐—œ ๐—ฑ๐—ผ ๐—ป๐—ผ๐˜ ๐˜€๐˜‚๐—ฝ๐—ฝ๐—ผ๐—ฟ๐˜ ๐˜๐—ต๐—ฒ๐˜€๐—ฒ ๐—ฐ๐—ต๐—ฎ๐—ป๐—ด๐—ฒ๐˜€
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Iโ€™m not sure, sorry man.

Maybe ask one of the mods for help?

Do you know any?

@MightyBaozi is a Forum mod, so he maybe able to help.

Also you can find a list of all the Forum mods here, if needed.
https://forum.warthunder.com/u?group=Forum%20Moderators&order=topic_count

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Nope have no clue, had no idea anyones posts were getting flagged

For stuff like this please PM a Forum moderator, itโ€™s best not to flood the thread with explanations.

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Thanks, itโ€™s been a pretty common problem in most of these posts. I know I havenโ€™t been perfect either, and Iโ€™ve probably been a bit annoying at times, so I really appreciate the help. Sorry about the inconvenience.

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Thereโ€™s just one last hurdle guys: convincing Gaijin that AIM-9Ls arenโ€™t the overpowered superweapon they seem to think they are. At this battle rating, theyโ€™d only provide a modest improvement to the aircraftโ€™s overall effectiveness and not transform it into something overpowered.

The Tornado F.3 already carries AIM-9Ls at the same battle rating, so thereโ€™s already a precedent for it.


You just forgot that Tornado F.3 are having infamous for turning even worse than Phantoms, even though it is 4th gen.

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The aircraft that replaced the Phantoms will end up sitting at a lower BR than the FGR.2, thatโ€™s only if the AIM-9Ls and other missiles are added.

Being on the forums since June has accomplished absolutely nothing. If anything, itโ€™s only reinforced my belief that Gaijin doesnโ€™t care about Britain or even fixing relatively simple issues, like the Challenger DS.

Congratulations, you are learning

Let me introduce you to Britain Tax:

Still waiting 3+ years for its 20 round ready rack.

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Even without the ready rack, simply giving the Challenger DS and MK.3 the optional additional armour, just like the first Challenger 2 you unlock in game, would be an incredibly uncontroversial change. Most players would see it as a positive historical correction rather than a balance issue.

Even if the ready rack were added as well, youโ€™d essentially be a slower M1 Abrams. It wouldnโ€™t be overpowered in the slightest. Itโ€™s frustrating that simple historical improvements like this continue to be ignored. God forbid someone wants to get their moneyโ€™s worth from both the premium and tech tree versions by submitting actual historical evidence for a change that would make them far more enjoyable to play.

With these changes, the Challenger DS and Mk.3 would finally be on a similar level to the Leopard 2, M1 Abrams, and T-80UD. These additions wouldnโ€™t make them overpowered because they would simply allow them to compete properly with their counterparts.

You should definitely talk about the ready rack in the br changes discussion

We hit it very very hard last major update as part of changes for the CR2 and it never happened, once againโ€ฆ

(both the CR1s and CR2s have the same bug)

At this point, I think its an intentional artificial nerf designed to nerf the CR1s and CR2s

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Welp, I literally begged for it so letโ€™s see what happens

looked through the datamine page and saw the british f4j does have a unused loadout for 2 aimLs to be fitted

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Thatโ€™s really damn depressing to think about. By the way, they wonโ€™t add these because they think itโ€™ll make the aircraft too effective at 12.0, which is an absolute joke.

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true that, even just 2 aimLs would help the aircraft a lot, as using it a lot recently and my only way of consistent kills are with skyflashes

manโ€ฆ the FG2 and J are post falklands its really odd to not have 9L.

this would also mean i finally actually play the FG2 and my J(UK) as ive not really touched them at all

problem is theyโ€™re unused which means they may or never see the light of day, and even more unlikely with apparently how old the file is in game