Tornado GR1 Mk103 Engines

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The Tornado GR1 in-game has an extremely unusual nerf that makes absolutely no sense. It has notably weaker engines than the other 8 Tornado IDS aircraft for a reason that makes absolutely no sense.

The official reason that has been given is this:

So the intended reason for the GR1 to have the Mk101 engines, was to increase the differences between the GR1 and GR4, whilst simultaneously ignoring the large number of pre-existing differences. What is worse, is that this excuse hasn’t been used anywhere else, even with Tornados where it would actually make sense. Such as the Italian Tech Tree. The Tornado IDS and the Tornado IDS (1995) might as well be considered identical aircraft for ARB/ASB and yet are 0.3 BR different, at this time, I cannot think of a single reason why you would play the IDS (1995) over the IDS as a result. Changing the IDS to Mk101 engines might give a minor reason for this to change.

GR1 —> GR4 IDS —> IDS (1995) IDS (1995) —> RET8 WTD61 —> ASSTA1 ASSTA1 —> SLE
Aim-9M SAL GBUs BOZ-EC SAL GBUs BOZ-EC
HMD CLDP GNSS GBUs GNSS GBUs Aim-9L/i
BOL Standoff GBUs Litening II Brimstone
TERMA AGM-88C IR F&F GBU
FLIR Litening III AGM-88C
GNSS GBUs Litening III
Brimstone
ALARM
IR F&F AGM
Litening III
Mk103 engines

Only one of these has the MK103 engines as an upgrade, and its the one with the greatest number of differences…

It has even been acknowledged the engines are from a radically different time period. The GR1 by virtue of the TIALD integration is a late airframe addition, some time in the 1990s. So it creates an extremely weird amalgam aircraft

I have seen several comment that this change was to “balance” the Tornado GR1 vs the others, but this too makes no sense, because it doesn’t differ from them notably, the PGMs are not worth equipping in ARB/ASB due to their poor performance and extreme weight and I don’t consider them worth equipping in GRB but if they are truly that powerful, increase its BR, don’t nerf engine performance.

So this continued insistence on nerfing the British Tornado and ONLY the British Tornado needs to stop and the engine needs to be correct forthwidth,

Would you like to see the Tornado GR1 finally get its corrected engines?

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Can’t wait to also see this again in a year.

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Ehhhh…
I’m fond of the weakest engines of a family being represented somewhere.
Mk101s are real engines, & I do like them despite them making it more difficult to retain energy in turns.

If they were on another aircraft as well, I could be convinced to support this…

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The Tornado IDS (Italy’s non-guided weapon Tonka) and a Future Tornado GR1 (Early) / Tornado GR1A (to give a 10.0 CAS version for Britain) would be sensible options

But the Tornado GR1 with late-service weapons is not a good fit especially when their justification is just so obsurd given that none of the other Tornados are held to the same standard

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If they appear, I’m all for it.

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1 is already in-game. The other… we’ll see.

But the current situation is not balanced. Was even worse when the GR1 was also at a higher BR too

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You’re fond of weaker engines?

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Yes.
Whether it’s the Mig-19’s hour-long spool up time, or there are thrust limitations, I do enjoy when the engine is pushing me toward different tactics to keep the aircraft in its sweet spot.

It’s why I want the F-16/79 as well.
I want to use as many real used engines as possible.

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Do the German tornados not need this sense of progression? Why does their 11.3 Tornado get the mk103 engines? Should it not use the mk101s as well?

Also the jump of 1br to the 12.3 Tornados is ludicrous. They should be 11.7. They have no redeeming features in Air RB.

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Yeah, its the selectiveness which is the BS part

12.0 would be fine given the IRCCM and the current compression. But 12.3 is stupid

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“In light of community feedback, Tornados are now being moved to 12.7”

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Im waiting for the “The 9x ALARM has increased the player effeciency too much, so we are increasing the BR” post any day now

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Y’know, I was joking, but now I actually do have some concerns lol

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never joke about the Tornados, if the devs can find a way to nerf it. They will

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