I have been playing the F-4F Early all day today getting only uptiers, fighting all aspect missiles like AIM-9L’s and R-73’s while having no countermeasures. The J-7D sits at the same BR of 10.7 while having countermeasures and 35g missiles. Where’s the balance?
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I used to feel the same, but take this advice: Use the F-4F as a gun killer (i mean, use your cannons to get kills, not missiles) and you will get better results. your missiles will eat a flare 90% of times, so thats why i say the F4 is better with cannon runs, only use missile if you get someone by surprise :)
I get the F-4F Early’s position rn, but the normal F-4F in the tech tree stills being the early version making the existence of event “F-4F Early” redundant. they still need to give normal F-4F its proper missiles
It’s a rare event vehicle, and it’s rarely played.
It should be 10.3 currently, alongside the F-4C which trades 9Js for 9Es, but it gets access to to Aim-7Ds too.
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And Now Gayjin just make this plane fighting against Mig25PD
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Gayjin be like: if 4x AIM-9Joke (can bring gun) VS 4x R-60M + 2 SARH / 4 SARH and can’t bring a gun but nobody can catch it. We call it as balance and fair…, and they’re even make sure this MiG25PD can met F-4C too, amazing!!
Reviving this thread, I love the F-4F Early but why exactly is it 0.7 above the C? It gets no radar missiles, slightly better IR missiles with better flight performance. So you get half the missiles (not even SARH, so no all aspect) and slightly better flight performance at 10.7 which can face 23MLs, which have 8km all aspect R-24Ts
You always exaggerate or downplay things. AIM-9J is far stronger than AIM-9E.
And if you downtier this jet to 10.0 or 10.3 it will face aircraft armed with either no missiles or AIM-9Bs in downtiers, its no different
Its far stronger against an aware flareless aircraft, which you cannot find at that BR aside from maybe a 21S in a full downtier or a Harrier GR. 1
Thats just… how is that relevant?
T-2? F-1? Mirage 3C? F-104s? The two jets you mentioned? MiG-19? MiG-21F-13? Yak-38? F-100s? MiG-23BN? Su-7? Lightning? Hunters? Buccaneer? Q-5? G.91YS? Saggitario? F-8E(FN)? Mirage 5F? All of these jets will be faced if you downtier to 10.3. On an F-4E platform.
It has the exact same amount of relevance as you bringing up the F-4F faces the R-24 in full uptiers. But sure, your comment wasn’t relevant either ig.
which is fine because the F-4C, F-1, Mirage 3C already exist down there. the F-4F won’t make a difference
Okay? T-2s and even vehicles like the Super Sabre are going to suffer significantly less than the F-4F Early against 23MLs. How the hell is having a rear aspect missile launched that you can out energy when launched passed 2km even remotely comparable to being beamed by an R-24T from 8KM away side aspect and not being able to do anything about it. With the other ones just dont let them get behind you, literally just turn if you’re in anything other than an F-104. If you are in an F-104 then just like… dont go near it?
Again, getting beamed by an IR missile from 8KM away and not being able to do anything about it is not remotely comparable to not paying attention and getting smacked by the second shortest range sidewinder in game
Actually thats a good point. Riddle me this, Corsair, how the hell is the F-1 at 0.7 BR lower than the F-4? It has a better radar, better missiles, same number of missiles, turns better, gains energy better, sure maybe its not as nippy at angels 30 but how is that relevant? Ohhh the F-4 can carry an extra 2 guns. So is the 2 guns worth a 0.7 BR increase?
doesnt matter
same missiles, don’t bring up radar slaving. I bet you haven’t slaved an IR missile at that BR in 500 games, if you ever have
incorrect, lmao
no
You will continue to get short answers as long as you lie
Yes it does
“I dont do this so you clearly dont” yes, I use radar slaving, its very useful.
No it isnt, it has significantly better instantaneous and it has a better rate
It literally does
“I disagree with you, so therefore you’re lying”
Okay so I did actually just do some math there and it turns out on paper in a vacuum I was wrong by a significant margin, but that doesnt take into account the fact the F-1 is not an aerodynamic brick
TW ratio for the F-1: 0.689:1
F-4F Early: 1.14
No, it doesn’t.
Unlikely.
Incorrect, lmao.
no
You’re either lying or mistaken, you can choose.
Again, slaving, and also finding the last enemy, the PDV radar is great
Yes likely
Prove it? Literally the only time the Phantom is better is at high speed. Yk… the speed that neither of them can sustain.
Or maybe I’m just telling the truth out of my experience?
Something the F-4F does not struggle to do with its radar.
Blind hunt:
Unlikely.
In game experience (that is more than you) + StatShark - See All Player, Missile, and Vehicle Statistics
You aren’t really informed.
Which the missiles CANNOT do
Dude you havent even played the F-1. Granted you’ve played with the T-2 but they’re slightly different.
With?
Which funny enough, doesn’t impact the performance heavily at all.
Which isn’t required for me to be educated.
Most things we talk about
And yet its still a point.
Forgive me if I’m wrong but when you’re comparing two aircraft its generally good if you’ve played even a single match in it
You’re literally just Alvis’s alt account
I’m really sorry if you’re not capable of extrapolating based on your information available or using external sources to review performance. I know more about vehicles I haven’t played than 90% of the playerbase playing said vehicle know about said vehicle.
That makes exactly zero sense, congratulations.