F-4EJ Kai needs rebalancing

They can give it AAM-3s but idk how that would affect BR

Would have to be at least 12.7.

No

Just because F-18A is under-BR’d due to 13.0 compression does not mean F-4EJ Kai is bad.

The 13.3 ARH slingers are the main issue for the EJ KAI, although I admit I haven’t played it since before the F/A-18s where added.
There are 2 accepted bug reports for it, one for AIM-7Ms, which would not change much IMO:
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/yVg6kZrEpl7s
And one for AAM-3s, which would probably result in an uptier:
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/qygYwgbjLPBO
I believe the AAM-4 was first tested on an EJ KAI but that required modifications and I don’t think it should be added to the TT KAI, but could possibly be added as a squadron plane that would be about on par with the F-4 ICE

it was suggested to supply the EJ Kai with it’s operational kit (AAM-3+AIM-7M with BR upgrade to 12.7) however this was rejected due to “balancing reasons”

from my knowledge it was tested but never went anywhere most likely due to not working or having issues that were too much to change. Thus AAM-3 + AIM-7M (the standard kit it operated) would be more sufficient

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EJ Kai is no-where near bad, its very solid. Although it would be very nice for it to get an upgrade for the modern environment

especially since we have aircraft like the F-16A OCU for belgium at the ripe BR of 12.7 with 6 IRCCM


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Under-BR’d aircraft doesn’t justify more under-BR’d aircraft.

I agree with the start of your post tho.

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Agreed, I had the thought that gaijin could essentially copy paste and folder (after standard EJ Kai) the EJ Kai marking it as the “EJ Kai (Late)” at a higher BR however it’ll have the AAM-3 + AIM-7M as a optional alternative.

So its there for those who want it, but if u just wanna grind to those F-15’s then u can just skip it

(also aint this just majestic)

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Oh, I agree, I don’t want AAM-4 on the KAI, but I have seen the argument for it before, so I am getting out ahead of it by arguing that if a KAI with AAM-4 is introduced it should be on an event/premium/squadron plane not the TT one

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AAM-3 + AIM-7M imo is more than enough imo plus it looks cleaner

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And it’s historically accurate, just needs the ASMs then and it’s rock and roll!

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if they give us the GCS-1’s as well i’d be happy personally for quite some time

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i can confirm guys, it’s not fun fighting F-18’s (i’m trying to finish grinding it’s mods)

F-16 (A blk10 and AJ) are “ok” to be there,… but F-18’s at 12.3 are not okay.

F-18C/CF-188A premium (current 12.7) should be 13.0, like any other 13.0’s
TT F-18A’s (current 12.3) should be 12.7, like F-16AJ (they have more missile and similar avionics/radar technology)

OR, let’s compress below us, and give F-4EJ Kai a retirement to 12.0 (no HMS like US F-4J, no agile eagle mods - it’s insane to be 12.3 currently)

@Smin1080p_WT @Stona_WT : please do something for this aircraft that should be comparable to Mirage F.1’s

I don’t think aim 7m performs any different to aim 7f. The M version performs different (according to data mining) on different planes, but on f 16 planes it’s same.

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You could trying carrying bombs and gun pods with it. The EJ KAI isn’t fun to play but it offers lots of methods to get SL/RP.

The gun pods are great for head ons and you can kill ground targets for longer with more bullets available.

It would just be a little more accurate, like the F/A-18A having 7F’s then unlocking 7Ms

you’re dead before entering 3km range.

that’s also going to make you a dead meat

not as true, but it requires far more skill and experience, which you might lacks for telling me to use gunpods and bombs,…

i still managed to get a nearly 2KD with it as a fighter,… but it’s clearly not a primary choice when it come to dogfighting,…

F-18’s are way under the BR they should have with weaponnary and avionics way better than F-4EJ Kai,…

F-4EJ Kai can’t go down because of AIM-9L and PD radar, but then F-18A’s and Early C’s should be bumped up!

mostly yes, but IF you can its pretty good