F-4EJ Kai needs rebalancing

I have made a thread about the F-4EJ Kai back in the day but I complained about different things at a different time period, so I feel it would be dishonest to bring it up again.

So I made this new post.

I think F-4EJ Kai is one of the worst 12.3 planes right now. (not counting strike planes like JH-7A)

In a era of IRCCM and Gen4 spam, the EJ KAI stands helplessly, having to rely on multipathing in close range due to poor turn rate(bad for notching). Any attempts to escape the tailing F-18s or even fellow phantoms will result in death because you’re a bus that can’t turn. Turning is also important against IRCCM.

It’s only advantage is that it has many missiles. Twice the amount of its competitors.

But I chosen 3 planes to do this comparison with: Mig 21 bison, F-18A, and F-20A. I will put down the planes that has the advantage

Flight performance
Other planes: much better than F-4EJ KAI. F-4EJ airframe is worse than even F-4E because it lacks combat flaps “agile eagle”.

Missile quality
Mig-21 bison: much better than F-4EJ KAI due to midcourse correction of R-24R and the fact it is super manuverable at the end stage that you can’t dodge it like you dodge an AIM-7.

Missile quantity
F-4EJ Kai: no doubt the winner here.

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Compared to the 12.0 Phantoms it is better equipped and does belong 0.3 higher than them. The issue… 12.0-13.0 is stupidly compressed.

Most 12.0s shouldnt be facing most 13.0s and the strongest aircraft something like the F-4EJ Kai at 12.3 should be facing is the F-18s, F-16s and Mig-29s along with a few of the weaker Fox-3 aircraft. Not the IRCCM slingers and stronger Fox-3 aircraft currently only 0.7 higher.

The F-4EJ Kai (and tenatively its closest equivalent the Tornado F3/ADV) should be at 12.3, but it should not be the same BR as the F-16/F-18

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They should give it Aim-7P to compensate. Mig-21 bison already have midcourse correction so it won’t be OP and the EJ KAI will have something going for it.

You’d have to find a source confirming it had them and then submit a bug report

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aim-7p on naval planes only

is the F-16 radar theoretically capable of firing Aim-7P along with F-4E mounts? Just curious.

I do know, if that is not possible, the F-4EJ KAI had AAM-3 in real life. But that would make it OP at 12.3.

not with datalink, which would make the change from 7f to 7p almost useless. the early f-16 radars don’t have datalink. only benefit it would get is iog

From what I recall. The Aim-7P was a navy exclusive Aim-7 variant, so I dont think either the F-16 or F-15 even equipped them.

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Well, too bad. Though I am not opposed to Gaijin giving Aim-7P to F-15 and 12.3+ planes to be in line with the R-27R, as a gameplay balancing decision (regardless of historical accuracy)

best sarh missiles air force planes can get is the mh which is the same as the normal m but with lofting… which is nearly useless. so most planes are stuck with 7m/f unless theyre navy plane

You mean like the Phenoix where it goes up then rains down target at final moment?

Though. correct me if im wrong. Aim-7M should also get IOG right?

iirc, it had it modeled originally, but got removed for being too good.

May not benefit the F-4EJ Kai, if it only used Aim-7F and not Aim-7M, but thats another option for buffs

Yes. Lofting is where the missile intentionally climbs instead of flying straight to maximise the potential range it can achieve.

well that makes it deadlier against multipathing, but i don’t know how that impacts it’s performance at close range.

Short range, it doesnt.

but SARH missiles should usually be used at longer ranges.

Though can be very effective at closer ranges

are you talking about this? all radar missiles had it back then, not just sparrows (comment from dev)

EJ Kai being same BR as the 16A and 18A is actually insane

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Yes. that will be it.

Though I have no idea what it should be like IRL.

Spoiler

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Yeah, it is, but thats compression for you

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it still shouldnt be the same br as the f-4junk

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