Child.
Doesn’t matter how you think of me, I always agree with you honey
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Yeah absolutely. I remember I had a hard time with JA37C first. After getting the skyflashes and learning how to use radar, it is an absolute beast
Kinda sad to see how BMPT being added to the game though, that thing seems to have no learning curve especially when it was first added
Patrick? That you?
I am fairly new to the F4E having only had it about 1 month and I have about 60 battles in it. I am finding it a real struggle and my KD is less than 1.
Most people on this thread say the aim 7E2 is a good missile and it is good when I can the radar to lock a target. I find the radar really unreliable. On some maps like Suez that are flat I find that I am unable to lock anything if I am near the ground even if my target is above me. On hilly maps like mysterious valley I find it easier to get a lock but it is still inconsistent and rocky pillars map seems broken because I can get locks when looking down at a target.
Other things I have learnt are:
1.I face 12.0 matches the most frequent where everyone has better radar and better missiles because of premium planes like F4S and F1C 200 and Mig 23 ML.
2.The Mig 25 spam makes using your sparrows difficult. Every game has 3 or 4 Mig 25s in it dominating high alt. So I mostly sculk around at low level.
3.If you see a Mig 23 going headon with you then be ready for an R24R to be fired at you at very close range. It has happened to me quite a few times now where I line up to use my gun and take an R24R to the face.
4.As soon as I try to dogfight anybody I get third partied. No matter if I check around before committing to the fight there is always someone unspotted who appears like magic out of the clouds and guns me down.
5.As soon as I go above 500m I feel like everyone with a radar missile fires it at me. Again I find using the sparrows really hard because if I have to gain alt to keep the target locked I become the focus of every SARH missile in the match and end up going defensive to stay alive.
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Stay away from the fur ball. I usually try to come in from the side once planes are spotted pick off someone who is distracted and then fly off and gain some separation. As soon as I get tunnel vision chasing a kill that is when I get an IR missile in the back.
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The Aspide is the bane of my life. For some reason the J8B can lock me up even at very low level as soon as I am above multi path height even though the spec sheet says it has no PD mode and once launch I get no time to notch. Be aware of the J8B.
I could really do with more helpful advice on how to be successful with the F4E.
I just spaded the kurnass and I essentially played it in uptiers as a ground hugging mobile at the start of the game since you can’t really contest the r24/r40 in a bvr duel given how chaff resistant they are
you use the sparrows for oppurtunistic shots on people higher than you and going headon
inbetween that you play it as an ir slinger or you try to get oppurtinistic gunshots on people already engaged without dropping your speed
you cannot afford to drop your speed early game, you’ll just get melted
in downtiers you can afford to fly high and smack people with radar missiles, really helps your team if you can get rid of orbital j7d’s
You can just notch them
Just prenotch or use terrain/multipathing
Yea cause you’re doing it early/mid game and not late game. You can’t dogfight early/mid game in any jet.
Yes. Learn to notch.
Don’t fly down mid then, flank
F-4E can do the same thing the same way
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Thats the issue. You should climb.
Its only early gen PD radar, notch + chaff defeats it all the same.
MiG-23 radar gets PD (MTI mode) only when looking against ground at certain alt; otherwise its standard chaffable radar
F1C has MTI radar sure but it also gets its issues and more importantly its missiles are pulse guided - they dobt trigger RWR the same way CW guided radar missiles would and are extremely prone to chaff.
Its radar is derivative of MiG-23s I believe, do it has the same issues
Yes.
Higher in BR you go less you should dogfight and more you should keep your speed.
Sounds more like positioning issue tbh.
Yes.
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It’s highly dependent. The R-24R and the AIM-7E-2 work best within 10km. Very hard to notch within such a short period of time.
Mig-23 can overcome the Multipathing issue by just pointing up slightly and lobbing the missile down. You still can hold lock if you point your nose up for a second and fire the missile.
Everything else is just relying on your teammates to be food and then using vulcan to either headon or smacking unaware enemies with the 9J
They aren’t that hard to notch even at this range, and in the statement you quoted you can see I said to prenotch/preposition. You should be flying with your brain turned on at all times and be anticipating enemy attacks. Therefore, you should never enter a fight with you flying directly at the enemy missile to begin with.
This doesn’t invalidate multipathing. In fact, it won’t do jack if the MiG-23 isn’t already multiple kilometers above you. Just pointing the nose up and firing the missile in an arc is not sufficient to cause multipathing to fail.
I don’t know what you’re talking about here. The F-4E is extremely independent in air RB and doesn’t need to third party or use teammates to perform at a high level. AIM-7E2s make up the bulk of the kills while 9J and Vulcan provide quite a lot of background kills
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(1.2 KD with F4E 800+ battles) the reason you probably suck with that plane is because you go either fly high, or you go straight towards battlefield and get clapped by R24R’s, take 4x 7E2 and 4x 9J and fly 10 degrees to either far right or far left from the farthest enemy base, you would have higher chances of dodging first incoming missiles barrage. and if u wish to bomb bases and then engage enemies, try staying as low as you can, while making zig zag every 15 seconds to avoid being noticed by 5 incoming enemies at once. always try locking targets from down-top angle, cuz radar on that thing is shiit, also, clapping low BR planes with that beast was definitely not promised to us (6000/2) years ago.
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How is the j better than the fgr?
aim7f+hms
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Flying high still very much can yeild good results. When I fly with a buddy we both go high, and usually we get 2-3 targets a game high before being forced to transition low (where the rest of the targets lie).
It’s all about positioning. We don’t fly straight on (as you said), and instead approach targets from 10 degrees left/right and usually either 10 degrees below/above (so that weak RWRs don’t pick up our pings). But it certainly is NOT a bad plane.
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You can still have an enemy lock you in a direction you weren’t expecting, or lock you in a better position, mixed with many aircraft at that BR not having much chaff, and the engagement distances are much closer, so if you’re going high speed, you’re going to need to reposition or defend against a missile from a dude who might be 10km away and closing in on you at roughly 900-1100+ kph.
I’m not saying it’s impossible, it’s just harder because everything is much closer together.
I’ve had my missiles notched before but it usually ends up with “Okay, cool bro. I’m now within 5km of you and I can either just reaquire lock or just gun you down.” I’m not going to say that’s 100% going to be the case every time, but you’re still on the defensive when you’re needing to notch and it isn’t like top-tier where the dude might turn his nose away and let the seeker head do the work. he still needs to keep a hard track which means he’ll need to keep aware of you at all times.
It does work? Bro. We had the whole event to show this where the Mig-23 stomped on the F-4Es until people realized you can bring out the F-4J and F-4S and did the same thing people were doing with Mig-23s. You just need to pop up a bit, fire the R-24 and the missile will somewhat be reliable in hitting multi-pathed targets if it’s from a downwards angle.
The flight performance is trash in-game. I’ve seen Mig-21 bis’ completely outrate the F-4E when they shouldn’t be. The Mig-23 also completely trounces on the F-4E by such a massive margin that you literally can’t do anything.
It’s a plane carried by the AIM-7E2s and it’s gun.
Again, the event basically showed the Mig-23 take fat steamers all over the F-4E
Not true and not the case. Also has no correlation to why F-4E was doing poorly in events, which was mostly user error.
Weird how it performs extremely well when I fly it regarding the flight model… I also dueled another competent pilot today funny enough in F-4E and in both cases the F-4E did very well in the duel regardless of whether it was me or him flying it. Guess what it was facing? The MiG-21.
I second this because I love the F-4E and it should be overpowered
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Meanwhile the actual event…
i dont think i have ever seen any mig 23 getting this kind of scores in the hole event
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I never saw an F-4E pull that number either, you sure that wasn’t a J or S?
That was a j, the thing is that the mig 23 didnt dominate at all in the event, they were the ones getting steamed by the j/s