Pretty sure since release theyve always had a delay. Maybe shorter in the past. .5 or so. It really does not make a difference in a BR about missile jousting.
Im saying this as a fan of the Phantom. it doesnt suit my playstyle, im a light strike fighter player personally but four sparrows and 4 sidewinders with buckets of power is crazy seeing late korean stuff.
Probably more of an issue with compression than anything
missile bus with gatling gun for head-ons
isnt it always have been 0.7?
i played it recently, its not that bad
oh yhea we have but is hard get if you are in a stock
Being that f4e is top 5 11.3 aircraft, it isnt really fair to buff it, the other 4 being, j7e (monster df mig21 armed with 4 pl5s and insane rwr), j8b (2 aspides with good fm and 2 extra pl5s with great speed), ja37c (good fm, same aim7s as f4e but 2 less, great radar, great speed, awful fuel efficency), and jh7 (good fm, great radar, 2 insane pl5eii, great rwr, but lackluster top speed and no reason to really use radar mid game), the f4e is prob the best df f4, with the same missiles as viggen but more, with a better radar than j8, decent rwr, good cm, decent fm for br, and is able to do any role at any point in arb, also great in grb unlike the rest), it doesnt really need anything to be better, the only issue is trying to turn fight things you wont beat, being f16s, under br’d f18a, and j7e, its weapon stack easily makes it one of the best 11.3.
Also there is things like the su39 which isnt fast enough to be competetive like other 11.3 and jaguar IS is just powerkrept by jh7
F4e isnt bad, its just at a br with alot of great jets and an awful uptier scenario, also its near prem23 spam
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The other option is for them to look at stat cards. We know how well that goes…
The 12.0 wall really hurts a lot of jets below that br.
Care to give an example?
Pretty easy to counter though, just stay low. At missile tiers well armed jets owning high alt is a common thing in up tiers for the F-4 as well
The F-4 was upgraded with more fighter a2a and multirole capabilities but it was an interceptor at its core
Yes.
It should but doesn’t. It’s rating as bad as the Mig-21bis should and the Mig-21bis is rating at where the F-4E should be. Mig-21bis acceleration is still 20% higher at some alts than it should be and the bug report was just left open.
But realistically, it should outrate a lot of the aircraft it faces.
I wish but it’s not performing correctly right now.
Tru-ish. The regular scan mode is better than ACM for in that regard. I still believe it should get simulated doppler inputs to help it deal with pulse-dopplers without making the F-4E just god-tier at everything.
Except flight model. Gaijin messed it up.
To be fair, Mig-25 runs into the F-104 issue but it gets to have really good missiles attached. Sure it can’t turn. But you can basically do what the Vautour and F-104 can do but you actually have really competent missiles to go with it. Even with a screwy radar I can just go “Nah, next pass.”
Yes. Difficult to do this at closer ranges. Can be done, not impossible.
Don’t hype it up TOO much. F-8E can get locks at surprisingly low level too. In fact, before they made that giant change to how ground clutter worked, the F-8E might as well had been pulse doppler because you could lock at low altitude, but it had the added benefit of not letting you fire if the missile would be multi-pathed.
Gaijin needs to fix it. It’s rating capability is literally almost the exact same as a hardwing phantom. Even the F-4C. It pulls more instant AOA but that’s it.
Bis has better rating capability than the F-4E. I’d say they’re about equal but the F-4E only edges out because everyone is starting to realize you need to rate with it while the Mig-21bis people just pull and bleed speed. You should be rating around 720kph to beat Mig-21bis’ but gaijin made it where the Bis Rates well enough you need to be going nearly 1000kph. Again, shouldn’t be the case, but it is what it is. Missile wise F-4E eats the Bis’ lunch and spits it back in it’s face.
Mig-23 if I recall shouldn’t be that great of a rater, if I recall it was inferior than the F-4E in some aspects. But that means nothing about the R-24. Just FM crap.
Not going to lie, I’ve been quite terrible in the Phantom series overall. For whatever reason though, I’ve also averaged 1-2 kills per game with a stock F4E over the past couple of days.
The F-4C isn’t my favorite. The lack of flares is pretty killer at that BR, especially if you get ANY decent missile carrier behind you. It’s a giant bus that can’t manuever at all either. The F-4J I won’t touch because it puts you in an overteired mess where everything has a stronger FM, forcing you to be a missile bus and that’s not my style of gameplay. The F-4E is the perfect middle ground where it isn’t naturally a defenseless bus, but it also isn’t forced to play as a defensive bus. So that’s why I’ve done well in it. It helps that I had friends who I played with and showed me the ropes, but it’s overall a great plane.
You’re not wrong, both of the FGRs are extremely overtiered since they share BR with the better F4S and F4J.
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I wasn’t saying smack about the R-24. They’re great missiles. I just mean I have no comment on them. Just stuff about the FM. I just said it in a really weird way
no worry just showing how its danger in bvr so f4 player know that bvr against a mig23 is not worth it.
just trying to help
Most recent example, BMPT
Why? F-4E is extremely strong.
I’ve played it this week. Incredibly strong.
Not my experience in game. F-4 easily out rates these planes in my matches.
Its my most played plane in game and I’ve played it as recently as this week. Very strong FM.
Yes and the same is true if you fire an AIM-7E2 at close range
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I got my results from testing with a friend and then we would both try to find our optimum rate speed with localhost.
The Mig-21bis came out on top most of the time. The sustained turn rates have been reported before.
And even the acceleration is still too fast.
But gaijin likes to ignore it.
Wish we had the TISEO pod and the Doppler inputs I made a bug report for the inputs, then I was told to make it a suggestion and it’s been sitting in pending since october.
I personally believe it should be 11.7, but didn’t want to get into a massive tangental argument in a thread about the F4E for making a joke about the FGR2 so just added the parentheses.
“Extremely overtiered”