Yeah ok that’s very fair
The F-4E is very good. The issue isn’t that it’s too high, but that JA37, MiG-21, and MiG-23 are undertierd.
“why isnt my gigantic multirole fighter/bomber playing like a spitfire” aah complaint.
Sparrows are a brilliant missile. The phantom is a good airframe that offers a jack of all trades but master of none capability so it can work in most situations ok enough.
Youre not an interceptor like a lightning or fishbed or even a starfighter, you cant use that mentality.
I honestly think most phantoms ought to go up in BR to be closer to the spey phantoms and EJ kais as the differences are only slight with each better plane.
TLDR this is a skill issue that gets overcome by understanding the plane more and with practice
Theres a lot of russian planes that are undertiered (wow what a surprise, this has never been said before) and theres premiums of other nations also kept low to be cash cows but you should still do real good in them
I’m guessing the f4c is the reason you said most lol
yea lol, thats food for my SRAAM.
as soon as it gets flares and chaff its clawing at being an 11.7 jet
You must be insanely lucky then
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Sure. I also understand flight controls, flaps, airbrakes, and extending.
Not saying I could beat the average skilled player. But on average, most WT players are, well, below average skill. Especially in Floggers. Especially with the premium flogger. Which has been almost exclusively what I faced.
Regardless, the F-4E is NOT under tiered. It’s a great plane. And anyone who knows what they are doing can beat just about any plane they face in it.
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Phantoms are typically in the bottom of the top 5 at a BR. The only reason for a phantom to go up is if it’s moving up with other planes for decom.
good take other than this, which is a pretty biased take
and this
Not really.
F-4E in a specific speed range and under 10 min fuel can really rate insanely , until you meet a 12.3 (16A, event M2KC ) that can outdo you easily.
I won’t describe the whole proccess , i’ll tell only stay over 800km/h. And forget AoA , think with speed.
Most people you’ll meet in the game aren’t even understand the difference in when to rate, AoA , radius … They just turn instinctively anyway. It’s not the same in having a practical , even starter level - not too deep , knowledge in BFM/ACM.
Also since most people nowdays just buy a premium high tier plane without learning BFM/ACM in previous tiers (like the 23ML he said) it’s easier with some basic understanding to outdo them…because they don’t think like that. They’ll just try pull AoA on anything and/or throw missiles…
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AIM-7E2s are incredibly strong.
It dogfights very well, and also rate fights in the two circle very well. It just won’t beat planes designed to one circle, at one circling.
One of the best ratefighters at the BR
One of the best non-PD radars in the game that often gets look down attacks
- Strong missile loadout
- Strong flight model
- Strong gun (m61 vulcan)
- Good RWR
- Multi-role so can bomb if you’re one of those people
- Good CM count
No.
R-60Ms are a 1 flare. R-40s just require you to pseudo-notch which is the SAME THING other people have to do to your AIM-7E2s.
Only in specific scenarios, and the F-4E also does this without PD as long as you aren’t super low altitude.
Compare it to 11.0s or 10.7s. Go ahead, get back to me.
Kurnass is also an F-4E. 9J vs 9G is a very marginal difference. It’s 2% better. You can just say they’re both the best phantoms BR for BR.
It’s not. It has a very strong FM.
Haha calling MiG-21 undertiered.
Also a joke take however. F-4E as strong as it is for 11.3, is not fit for 11.7. MiG-23 is better with R-24Rs.
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Depends but i would put the aim9g over the aim9j by a decent bit. The aim9j is a bit better at close range but the aim9g has a lot more range.
Then again, i much prefer ranged ambush shots with IR missiles so im biased in that aspect.
Imagine me with my F4F Germany 11.0 no Radar missiles
Wait till he hears about FGR2 with the same SARH missiles but at 12.0 (ik there are other factors that make it 12.0, please don’t reply with a rant)
At this point just skip all the phantoms. I knew the phantom series are not going to be enjoyable at the moment seeing F-4C with no flares at 10.0
Japanese F4EJ is at 11.0 for so long now, it makes no sence to make the american F4E 11.0 when its straight out better the the Japanese one
be glad you even have 9Js it shouldnt even have those lol
Never implied otherwise.
Aight, disclaimer first since my limited knowledge of english does not allow me to write the next part without sounding hostile, which is not my intent, so please dont get offended.
Dont get me wrong, if you can make F-4E work and you manage to consistently outdogfight most MiG-23MLs you face, more power to you.
However, “player skill” factor must be eliminated from any discussion about balance of two planes; we must assume that they are both piloted by equally skilled pilots.
Because if we dont do that, the whole discussion boils down to “skill issue” and we dont get anywhere. Just because I completly humiliated one Su-33 in F-16A the other day does not make F-16A better plane by default.
Its the same issue when gaijin balances according to player statistics instead of vehicle capabilities, leaving some vehicles severely undertiered because the average player wouldnt be able to pour water out of shoe with instructions written on the heel, let alone do research on how to actually play a vehicle he bought with 70€.
So once again, if you can consistently take out MiG-23MLs, more power to you.
But going off solely vehicle characteristics, optimally flown F-4E simply wont be able to outturn the optimally flown MiG-23 in most cases.
Used to.
I’m sure that E2 now delay much more than before, and maybe put less G too.
not sure how it was before, but beside 7F/M/Ps which have NO delay, 7E2s have 0.7s delay, compared to 1.8s for standard Es.
their peak G pull remains unchanged to later sparrows.