That applies to all IR missiles, and I do find that long range attacks with 9Ls are fairly decent. However if the target does know you are near, an F-16 can just push in for an easy gun kill.
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Yeah, but 9Ls seem to get placed on this wierd pedestal by some players as somehow being notably “better” than any other non-IRCCM IR missile.
The extra range can be useful, though niche half the time and not a 9L exclusive
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They would be good if dechirped for baby BVR
Same with 9M
Only affects lock range not kinematic range, the reality of dechirped is that unless very high and/or fast, you probably wont actually fire from that much further away. Let alone if the target decides to do anything other than flying in a straight line.
Though it does help when the target is at a wierd angle and especially when not on reheat
I can’t tell you how many times it would have been fun. You could hit a head on target from like 15km at low level.
There is also no RWR ping so how would they know.
at that kind of extreme range, the target just needs to twitch and it would miss. Heck ive had 9Ls and 9Ms fired in the LSZ be kinematically defeated before. It would take the target literally doing nothing for the flight time of the missile.
Really?
I’ve smacked MiG-23s from like 10km before firing from the bottom up.
I once fired a 9M at a Mig-29 or something, about 4km away, it was in the LSZ, the target did not flare, it did not change course, the missile still missed
Prolly a NEZ bug
Wait was it in the NEZ or the general range scale?
LSZ/NEZ box
Odd but i suppose it happens.
9L flare rejection would likely be more helpfull.
Yeah…
Dont get me wrong, still think we should get dechirping for the 9L on RAF aircraft and on the 9M.
But it would be rather niche
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Yep, people seem to like 3rd partying too much : /
Its not, might make it into top10 maybe, there are lots of FM’s better than it.
It is the best FM at 12.3 though.
My friend, a F-5E is always a free kill, even for some 10.7s, let alone in a full uptier. At least the F-5 can try to position itself, use flares and its gun. What can a F-16 do against anything beyond BR 12.3?
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Spading F-16A was quite fun for me actually. Sure its tricky to merge butnince you do the dude is just done.
F-16A problem lies in the fact it has no presence in 2/3s of the game since it doesnt contribute to BVR nor furball. If ARB didnt have markers F-16A would jump from meme to geniune menace imo.
I think just giving it 9Ms and shoving it to 12.7 would fix most of its issue, but I have yet to test that theory with the belgian squadron F-16
The F-5E is one of the planes furthest from a free kill at 11.0, and even the arguably undertiered Mig-21bis is easier to kill.
More than what a Mig-21bis, F-4EJ, Su-22, F-104G, or Mig-23M can do against an F-16A. Yes the compression at 12.3 is brutal, but that isn’t an excuse to make another American aircraft overpowered.
The alternative would be giving it Aim-7Ms at 12.7, like the F-16AJ, but it’s incredibly sad to see that the compression has been made artificially worse to the point where a previously balanced plane would become quite bad.
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I was soo loking forward sparrow F-16 and missed it by like week before they changed it lol.
Other than that ill keep my judgment on this until i have chance to try the AJ but even then, with the giga genius move of moving F-15A down, youre prolly right on the powercreep
F16A is fine where it is but definetly should not be fighting 13.0/13.3s like SU33 SU27 J11 j11A and F16 with aim120s
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The F-16A is begging for a limited BR spread in matchmaking, instead of +/- 1.0 it should have 0.7.
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