I really do not understand why the first F-16A is 12.3, it has no SARH missiles.
People said that it is fast and has a good radar, but in straight line its max speed is 1300 km/h, MiG-21 Bis is still faster, its radar is a useless feature without SARH missiles.
Its only strenght it is dogfighting but considering 2 factors:
Every time you engage into a dogfight you are likely to fade (Lose control) from 2 to 3 times.
At 12.3 it is so rarely the situation of a dogfight.
F-16A should lowered to 11.7 (Would be the best) or minimum to 12.0 (Still bad but it could breath better)
OR
F-16A should get a pair of AIM-7Fs; I know F-16A had no electronics to operate SARH missiles but we got MiG-29 (9-13) with R-27ER which that variant had no access to it but there it is.
What do you think would be best to improve F-16A gameplay?
Its one of the strongest 12.3s in-game right now and quite frankly should probably be higher if you directly compare it to something like the Kurnass 2000 (F-4 with 6x Python 3s)
To claim the F-16 should be the same BR as the Tornado IDS, is just insane
If the F-16A could even use SARH, it would then increase to 12.7
The F-16A is probably one of the strongest 12.3s in the game imo, and in the opinion of a lot of players i feel like. It used to be 12.7, and was, not that bad unless uptiered. And now at 12.3 it curb stomps most things the same BR or less. Basically the only reason it went down to 12.3 cause it was the worst 12.7 F-16 by far, with all the other ones getting sarhs.
Give me your reason why you think it is strong and that it should go higher than where it is now
Why are you comparing it to a striker variant of the Tornado?
Again Why are you moving Tornado? that thing is at 12.0 and I cannot say if that plane is good or bad 'cause I do not own it, but it looks better with 4xAIM-9Ls and 4xSuperTEMPs
Its one of the best dogfighters in-game, period. Let alone sub-13.0
It has a good loadout of 6x Aim-9Ls (most 12.0 fighters are not even allowed 9Ls)
Its got good kit, with a decent RWR.
Because its an 11.7
You want the F-16A to be 11.7, well then compare it to other aircraft at 11.7.
Again. you want the F-16A to be 11.7, a lower BR than a weaker aircraft, therefore, ALL weaker aircraft should drop down to a BR BELOW it.
But fine, lets compare to something a bit similar.
AV-8B(NA) or Harrier T10. Subsonic aircraft with 4x Aim-9L at 11.3 Do you really think the F-16A is only 0.3 better than them?
What about the F-4E at 11.3? Again, F-16A only 0.3 better?
How the Kfir C2 with 2x Python-3 at 11.7?
What about the Mig-23s? Whilst I do think they are a little under BRed, they are no where near equal to an F-16
Can all those drop in BR?
And what about those below 11.7? Should something like a Sea Harrier FRS1e? Mirage III?, etc have to fight an F-16?
But fine. Sea Harrier FA2 to 11.0 because its subsonic and has a weaker FM than the Harrier IIs at 11.3. Who cares it has Aim-9Ms and AMRAAM. Its got a weaker FM
I can’t deny that, is its only strenght, if you survive the black outs and do not get aout turned while the pilot recovers you probabl gonna win the fight.
For a lower BR yes, but at 12.3 is not what a fighter plane needs, 12.0 is a BR where FOX-1s are the most important thing, it would be like moving MiG-23MLD to 12.3 and removing his R-24R and leaving it to 6x-R-60Ms.
Not a thing that matters in Realistic Battles
It is a striker, it has a different role, you won’t use a A-4B as fighter right?
MiG-23ML/MLD/MLA.
I said it would be best but I also said that 12.0 as minimum.
Are faster planes they can out run F-16 and F-16 at high altittude can eat Sparrows if the pilot doesn’t know know how to notch which is a thing at that BR.
We got an harrier at 13.0 so as you are saying 'cause it is subsonic then it should go down to 11.3 because is subsonic, is that what you are saying?
There are planes LOWER that are stronger. F-4J/S as an example, are lower, yet can actually confidently take on enemies that would fold the F-16A in half. The ONLY thing the F-16A has going for it is literally useless at 12.3.
While F-16A isn’t OP like F-18A, it’s still good at 12.3.
AIM-7s are incompatible with Block 10s.
Because Tornado, even with SuperTEMPs, is at best on-par with F-16A in air RB and air sim.
Not 1v1s obviously, Tornado would lose.
lol Those don’t even have the air performance of F-111C, let alone AIM-9Ls. They’re there because they’re okay at BVR, and better than the 11.3s while being worse than the 12.0s except F-4J UK.
11.7 exists as a BR specifically for Mig-23MLs.
@Pangolin_Fan don’t trash on American aircraft challenge. Difficulty: Impossible.
F-16A easily deals with everything that would fold the F-4J/S, which themselves aren’t even the strongest Phantoms. FGR2 for example has ~18% better flight performance.
No it wouldn’t, because the Mig would still have a worse radar, RWR, and much much worse flight performance.
Are you saying that RWR doesn’t matter?
If it’s in air RB, it should be balanced based of its A2A capabilities. Even then, the 9L only Tornados could be 11.0 without any major balance concerns in their current state.
Compared to the Mig-23s, the only thing the F-16 is worse at is BVR capability, and they are a bit faster at altitude. In every other metric it vastly outclasses the Mig-23s in every single way.
If you can’t dodge an Aim-7E2 in an F-16 with it’s RWR, I’m not sure how you can be helped. Also the F-16 is much faster than the F-4E.