It still.has choices.
Fox 2 f16 vs lobby of flankers… whats your plan?
MiG-29 versus Flanker, whats your plan?
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The f16s plan?
Not like the flanker has the same missiles but 4-6+ of them with a better FM and possibly better avionics or anything right
And yet still.has incalculable better chance of the win over the f16…
Not really.
Well its something. Meenwhile the f16 has zero answer.
I liked the old f16 dodge fox 3 spam get them within gun range- 2 turns later the flanker is a paper plane floating in the air.
Now it has nothing! No answer.unless opponent is braindead…
This is also you hyper-fixating on a singular matchup (which doesn’t make sense anyway in a 16v16 enviroment) while ignoring all other nuance
Flankers make up majority of games so yes its the biggest issue.
Mig29 should of been buffed as 12 missile carrying cracked FM has ruined gameplay/ f16s.
Does the grippy still win the 1vs 1 or is that another jet il never touch again?
Am i missing something?
At lower tier we have better turning props vs jets. Flare less supersonics vs 20g missile carriers, fair and intersting up to now.
At 11.0+ is where it has now gone wrong. We have missiles being shot by jets that cant be detected by RWR and/ or caught. Fox 2 carriers fighting vs fox 3- the fox 2s BR excuse was better FM… now this is complete BS so what now?
it’s absolute dogwater in any situation that isn’t a dogfight
you fight fox3’s, you have horrible missiles that won’t net you any kills unless the enemy doesn’t have functioning eyeballs, and you just fly around being completely useless waiting for someone to dogfight you
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I reckon I saw similar takes countless times…
“What F/A-18 can do against Su-30”
“Why F-5C stuck 10.7 and F-5E being 11.0”
“What F-4S can do, it is worst 12.0BR jet”
F-16A should’ve stuck in 12.7 instead of getting lower to 12.3 'way earlier than similar variant Netz stuck on 12.7 for some extra months.
They got a strange buff, and still they complain about being worthless.
then what. Send them down to 11.7 and watch them single-handedly rule the whole match?
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Stuck in 12.7 and forced to face even more fox3’s? You’re joking. In a modern AIR RB context they’re basically useless except for the belgian ones that get magic 2’s & 9m’s.
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How could it be wrong? F-16A Netz in israel stayed EXTRA SUFFERING MONTHS compared to glorious F-16A(USAF) when both shares similar problems.
Fox-2 slinger without IRCCM.
F-16A(USAF) are armed with AIM-9L, and got 12.3BR very soon because their stastics got sucked,
F-16A Netz(IDF) are armed with Python 3, and stuck 12.7BR for decades because Gaijin literally forgot them.
No, I am not joking; I am dead serious, just like Dwight Schrute.
I am doubly sure that F-16A shouldn’t have ever been 12.3 at the beginning.
This is F-5C case V2.0.
One-trick pony that can do one thing great but meh on other aspects; playerbase complains about them drastically, then they get an exclusive buff, and they’re still complaining even though they got extra care.
How in the world that F-16A with 6x AIM-9L need to get a lower BR than a Tornado GR.4, which flies extremely badly but got 2x AIM-9M, and needs to be the same BR as 3rd-gen rubbish such as F-4J(UK)?
Correction: all F-16As went undertiered, but Gaijin decided to fix those with even more awful powercreep than F-16A did, everything dead, only F-16A Belgian survived.
Then here is a simple question.
When undertiered fox-3 slingers such as Su-30MKs kicks almost every 12.3~13.3BR jets,
What will be our best solution?
Solution 1. Send Su-30MK and other fox-3 slingers except those slow-arse Harriers higher, and make them not facing Fox-2 only jets.
Solution 2. Send F-16A lower EXCLUSIVE again, and let them smack all those 3rd gen jets such as F-5E or MiG-21bis, and want them to get moved lower, just like how you want to send F-16A down.
Sending them down and forcing opponents to face even more 4th Gens? You’re joking.
TLDR:
1- F-16A may not be suited for 12.3, but it isn’t F-16A’s problem
2- You are joking.
Nerf the 16 FM until it’s more realistic and then make it 12.0 I think that would be fair.
It produces too much lift.
I am rather surprised about this discussion. Everyone complained about the new event F-16 being completely useless, yet here are a ton of people trying to say it should not be lowered because it could face a few F-5Es here and there. Guess what, i would be more scared about a Mirage F1C or MiG-23ML or even a bloody 11.3 JA37C coming my way than a random F-16 with 6 useless Missiles that require 1 button to flare. The F-16 has zero business at 12.3 just like the Sea Vixen has zero business at 9.0, yet here we are.
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Really lol its like the 3rd best FM in game
i dont get why people complain the f16 is at 12.3 when it get uptierd every match into 13.3 and cant so anything
i don’t get why people complain the f16 is at 12.3, ‘and asking for more’
So, if we send F-16A down to 12.0, just for arguing’s sake.
then they will not be uptiered every match into 13.3.
Then some other folks such as F-4S complains about ‘cant so anything against F-16A’
or F/A-18A might complain ‘we also suffers against Su-30MKs’
and so on.
F-16A shouldn’t be 12.3 at the beginning.
The problem is Su-30MK and F-15A.
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To me it’s not the missiles, but the fact that I’m a free gun kill if it gets close to me and I’m not going considerably faster.
Also, 9Ls aren’t that bad.
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They are most of the time these days. Especially as LCMs are also a lot more common.
Pretty much the only time I get 9L kills is against a target that didnt see it coming.
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