I didn’t say i believe the numbers or claim that any of those things the video said said to be true. I was implying that it may be possible for an f-15 to have pulled 15G’s for a split second there. I wonder if someone can find the debriefing of that incident.
This is not true.
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I’ve only ripped once, in a snappy negative-g manuever (F-15A btw). I’d say maybe try to avoid maneuvers that quickly go from positive to negative g or the reverse, since that seems to be when wings are the most likely to rip.
They aren’t active radar homing, so it is true.
If they were active radar homing R-27ER would be superior, but they’re reliant on a host radar having a lock.
Clearly you have no clue between the performance differences between R-27ER and the AIM-7M. And the R-27ER has more to its guidance systems.
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Datalink isn’t in War Thunder outside AIM-54A/C.
IOG isn’t used cause it’s hard to set up and easy to defeat.
it is r27 have data link
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It can’t use it though as the systems for it to datalink to aren’t in War Thunder.
Buddy-lock is the specific datalink it can do.
Yeah so why can other planes ignore G force while other planes suffer from Wing Overload Crash?
it can but the not the full power of data link yeah but it does have the in game implementation of it
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This is non sense. Do you even know what these systems do and how they impact your missile’s guidance? Also, due to the r-27er’s higher maximum speed, highly faster acceleration and higher g load, the missile is going to get kills in situations where the aim-7m would be dodgable. If someone is coming over a mountain, they can’t follow the terrain line to stay low. If you fire an r-27er, they likely won’t have the time to notch, giving you the kill. 35G’s also make sure that dodging the missile is near impossible. The aim-7m would be way slower giving the hostile more reaction time which may let them either dodge the missile or sometimes even just notch it. There are many situations where the better kinematics of the r-27er and the increased G load provide an advantange, where the aim-7m is just completely disadvantanged and sometimes useless. And let’s not even mention the clear superiority in high altitude combat where the maneuvering is limited due to the lack of dense air.
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Yes, I know, unlike you, which is how I know IOG isn’t a threat.
It goes to your last known location + straight line path velocity data.
However, if you’re going straight in a plane you’re playing 1.0.
You learn very quickly not to go straight into battles.
What the iog means is if you chaff at the last moment, especially at altitude with not much room to maneuver, the r-77 won’t head into the chaff, but may hit you anyway. While this advantange does not make the missile OP solely by existing, it does provide you kills in situations where the aim-7m might just fuckoff. It is an advantange, even if it doesn’t give you a free kill every match. It gets you free kills against people who notch and drop chaff but won’t pull G’s. You still can’t defeat those people with the aim-7m.
You shouldn’t be defeating after launch, you should be defeating before launch. This goes for both AIM-7 & R-27ER.
If I launched R-27ERs every lock I got I’d have a failure rate over 80%.
This really has nothing to do with comparing the missiles. No point comparing missiles if we veer into how maneuvering should be done. The r-27er has its advantanges, wether someone should be defeating a missile before or after it’s launch. Clearly this means that you don’t need to start maneuvering before an aim-7m is fired at you, but you have to go defensive even before the r-27er is fired which is an advantange to the user of the r-27er.
Even the war thunder wiki considers the r-27er as the best missile
https://wiki.warthunder.com/R-27ER
Being able to force people defensive even before you fire is a joke.
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SARHs are useless on their own, so it’s pointless to compare them on their own.
The correct comparison is the SARH + radar set.
Weakest link in that package gets compared, which is always the radar set.
Clearly you don’t want to compare the sarh missiles because you noticed that the russian missiles are stronger.
At the ranges where sarh missiles are used, every radar is going to be able to find their required target and do their job.
Why can’t you just agree that yes, russian missiles are stronger, then make your argument about the radars?
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No, a SARH without a radar can’t even be launched let alone controlled.
It’s irrelevant how strong a missile is when the radar is weaker than it.
The only time a radar is stronger is AESA.
Alright but our jets have the required radars to fire sarh missiles.
This is not fully true, Majority of situations, even with your weaker radar, you are still going to be able to employ your missiles at the same distance as someone with the stronger radar.
Then based on your argument, non aesa radars are equal? So how can you say that the russian radars are weaker?
Anyway please explain the differences of nato and russian radars in detail, so we can go through them and how they inconvience combat.
Ah yes valid argument, one problem though…
Examples, where? Some planes… Bro what planes i can give detailed examples
No top tier jet ignores G-forces what are you even on about? the F-15 easily pulls 13-14Gs without ripping and so does basically any other top tier jet right now with widely varying speed loss and times of continuously turning this insanely… wait this isnt detailed enough.
These are min fuel comparisons with two IR missiles loaded
F-15A/J/BAZ has insane turnrate above 650ish kph due to long and contiuous 12-14G turns and has low energy loss especially above mach 1
Su-27/J-11 has a insane between 500ish and 900ish KPH but it loses energy extremely fast and the turnrate of above 12G is gone within 3-4 seconds. Above Mach 1 it gets a G-Limiter to 11G and barely loses any speed when turning. Oh and not to forget the J-11 is even worse due to it being 600kg heavier for no reason. Its literally the same Flanker.
JAS39-A/C Insane turnrate of continuous 12-14Gs over what feels like all speeds but it also goes down at about 550kph to 600kph of course. It pulls harder than the F-15 due to its AoA while having an very acceptable speed loss. Above Mach 1 it still turns with up to 15Gs for split seconds.
Mirage 4000 got the L just because it is french and due it being the only plane that falls apart but mind you at overloads above 12-13Gs but once it gets below 650kph there is only one plane that can win against it would be the Gripen and that is situational. Speedloss is pretty strong but it still takes way longer to lose significant amounts of speed than in the Flanker and you get it easily back.