I’m not saying that the f15 has to be better than the su27, I just want to say that this shouldn’t happen, whether with the Su27 or the f15… broken wings are unacceptable at Toptiers where a certain speed and flexibility is needed in the match. The reason I don’t say anything about Su27 is simply because I don’t have it, sad how poor im.
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I’m going to have to disagree with your previous statements, man.
All the wing rip issues seem to be a result of (in my opinion) the instructor. In certain situations it’ll yoink you around just enough at certain speeds to continue to do it. So I really don’t think its that guys fault for diving with afterburner on, it was barely a dive anyway. Obviously the F15 and every other Gen 4 in the game PROBABLY shouldn’t be able to rip their wings regardless but I digress.
With how unfinished the entire F15 feels it really wouldn’t shock me that their are some catastrophic instructor bugs that’ll rip you into negative G and blow your wings off
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Well, you are correct the F-15 rips too much, much easier than the Su27. (I have both spaded and aced) The F-15 rips just as the F4 phantom did. By simple roll and pitch in level flight.
I do personally think it’s just another artificial limitation placed exclusively on US fighters. Kind of like the intentional un modelling of US armor in ground vehicles. I am not saying this to kiss butt. This is legit the case.
The F-15 is unplayable to me. To the point I do not even touch the F-15J even though it has the AAMs. The Gripen and M4K & J-11 just dominate it with their ease of flight.
Again my original comment was intended to help and alleviate this situation. Not tell you it’s ok, and completely all due to pilot error. I must concede that other aircraft will have no such issue performing what you did and living.
If the F-15 of all should have crashed and died in the above mach dive situation, so should have any other far structurally weaker aircraft in game.
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Nah you’re good dude. And I don’t disagree, I already told my friend when F15 drops ill be playing 1,000 games in it so I’m still doing it.
I will say after spading it and spending a whole evening in customs dogfighting I feel pretty confident in it, and I think I’m in the process of climbing over a 2k/d so it’s useable. But you are correct, artificial limitations being placed on American vehicles once again.
OR should I say more accurately, American vehicles being given “real life” values such as structural integrity while other vehicles such as the SU-27 are not, which is odd considering its a video game
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Yeah, its insanely hard to rip wings irl. Especially fighter jets of the 4th generation.
You can jam your control surfaces such as flaps and elevators, however. That is realistic. Not immediately explode in a ball of flames like the F-8 Crusader…
It’s an old War thunder mechanic from WWII piston driven papier-mâché airplanes. Just as fuel starvation if you fly upside down for too long.
Fighter jets have nitrogen in their fuel takes to displace oxygen. Fighter jets can fly in all attitudes not as long as they want with no fear of fuel starvation.
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If the game was accurate the F15A, F16A, and F14A would be exclusively fighting Mig 21’s and Mig 23’s. Obviously that isn’t balanced (cus it never was in real life), so i’m okay with moving to the middle. But like I said, it’s actually gone in the other direction instead of in the middle.
I’ve got 4 nations at top tier so I can escape playing US top tier ground for instance by playing others. But that doesn’t change the fact that I grew up in the US putting together models of airplanes and tanks as a kid. I WANT to play my US vehicles, so it’s frustrating when they’re in a perpetual state of not being fun
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And mig25s and Mig29s too!
Its not the West fault that the USSR was too scared to give its allies their best.
The US sold its very best to Iran and Israel because they are not afraid of having their designs becoming battle tested and proven.
Yes but not with R27ERs :)
There could definitely be more BR compression. I really thought they were going to go to 13.0 with the SU-27, and F-15. But with how bad the F-15 is they cant reasonably make it 13.0 without giving it amraams or better aim7’s.
So naturally the SU-27 gets to be 12.3 along with the rest of the jets when its a 13.0 BR jet all the way. Making the F-15 terrible benefited the Su-27 in this way. So it gets to seal club 11.3 phantoms. Which is absurd.
true… but we can still turn it around on the USSR and say… "whos fault was that now?‘’.
lol anyway but yeah, we need to figure out what’s going on with the F-15s radar and FM rip.
@k_stepanovich already told us why sparrows act the way they do. Balance decision of the past. I do think something is in the works for the sparrow soon. Totally a hunch.
I don’t think it’s an issue of “bias”.
I think that they try to cash out on their players + a problem of how russian verhicles behave.
Most people go for the German/US techtree first. They then get smoked to hell by T-tanks non exploding ammoracks, magic ERA, R27ERs and fun stuff like that. These players are then more likely to switch nations to also have an “easy time”.
I have both the F15A, F16A-C and the SU27. And at least for my part don’t find the SU27 to be much stronger. But it’s just SO damn easy to play compared to the US jets.
And that’s the thing. Russian gear is designed for dummies. You don’t need advanced tactics and strats to perform well in russian equipment.
Want to play the T90M? Press W and play a point and click shooter.
Want to play the SU27 or MIGs? Go full afterburner and just lob R73s and R27ETs at everyone.
Your radar lock went down? No problem, the missile doesn’t self destruct after 0.1ms like the sparrows. It just keeps going, take your time, relock and everything is fine.
Compare that to how you need to play the F15A right now. One bad pitch, your radar lock goes down and your sparrow is useless. And even if you keep lock. The sparrows are SO slow compared to the R27s that the enemy has literal 10s of seconds at times to react and evade.
On top of that MANY more people buy into top tier US premiums making the teams even more unbearable.
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I mean if I had to guess I would assume its the same reason why the F16C’s radar has a non-existent notch filter and can be spoofed by chaff from the front. Whether it’s bias, incompetence in modeling, or just straight up laziness I couldn’t tell you.
Maybe it would just be too much fun if we had a radar & missile combo with the Aim-7M that ultra reliably tracked in any aspect at most in game distances and had a 9/10 chance of hitting.
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Exactly, sparrows dont self destruct IRL the moment lock is lost, but in WT they do for some balancing reason back in 2018 that doesnt apply anymore. Time and time again US equipment will get artificially nerfed for “balance” reasons, and then when Russia gets the equivalent tech or better it still stays nerfed. In fact the sparrows have even been nerfed more since the original artificial nerfs by drag. The R-27ER did not get a drag nerf, in fact its recieved several buffs.
The sparrow needs to be updated to not self destruct on lock lost like IRL, but will they do that? Nope. This is some how balance.
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On top of that the current “map meta” massively benefits the russian vehicles.
Russian/Chinese Jets are (as far as I know) the only top tier nations that massively rely on IR missiles with longer ranges, meaning they can “run and gun”, shoot of 6 IR missiles in these furball maps and then start using their radar guided missiles.
Western jets only have the Aim9M and or the new Japanese variant with a bit more range as far as I’m concerned.
I find this entire “ground hugging” meta pretty ass to be honest.
What’s the point of having missiles with 50+ KM ranges (in theory) that are designed to be used high up for maximum range if you can’t use them.
As of right now (US-WEST/Soviets-East) only one side (russians/chinese) can go high and use radar missiles at long range, (maybe with the exception of the F14Bs AIM54s on the western side).
It just doesn’t bring that much fun. What’s the point of a mach 2.5 topspeed if you cripple around at tree height with mach 1.2 at the limit of wingrip…
Idk…
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I don’t even fly the F-16C, D and F15 with sparrows. They get you killed babysitting the missile that will eventually not hit anyway.
You guys want to know something funny too? The R27ER and ET did not get a stronger motor. They got a longer burning one for extended range. THATS IT.
But magically it goes practically hypersonic right off the rail and reaches top speed at all altitudes as if they got magical newly insane thrust motors.
The aim7F got a sustainer motor which does the same thing, but instead it does not gain any speed off the rail and is actually slower due to the extra weight (righfully so). Not the case for the R27ER. Devs read top speed and apply it immediately off the rail.
If it was truly modelled due to honest mistake, they would model the Aim54 aim7F the same way. They are not. Aim54 being MUCH lighters and aerodynamic over the R27ER.
The R27ER is much heavier and needs time to gain kinematic energy to reach its top speed. Which higher weight is required. The R27ER and ET are grossly overperforming in acceleration to top speed at all altitudes.
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idk if I did something to you or something but leave me out of whatever weird beef you have with other people
thank you, have a good christmas eve
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F-15’s forward fuel tank #1 and wing tanks are not self sealing, but should be;
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/qSxoxjlPYUyb
That will become much more potent as time goes on. Currently it is missing BTT steering, allowing for significantly higher maneuverability (~56G) and improved IR/UV IRCCM similar to the Stinger. In reality the AAM-3 is somewhere between the AIM-9M and the AIM-9X Block I in performance, being closer to the latter.
The reason it doesn’t perform as such now is that the BTT steering is not yet a feature simulated in game, and the IRCCM might be a blalance decision to allow it being added now rather than later.
So while it is functionally a 9M variant now, Gaijin has the ability to buff it once that becomes balanced/necessary.
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Hopefully BTT is in the works, would make a couple missiles much nicer to use
cough AIM-54 cough
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