Do you guys understand the Aim-120 will come to the game completely gutted and will likely be an Aim7M with the active homing of the poorly modelled aim54 fire control?
I will bet golden eagles on it.
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The real question is what aircraft will get it first
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100 percent. Even if the AMRAAM was completely accurately modeled, it will be a let down if its the A or B model. A lot of people have expectations based on the C-7, and that is a long way off.
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Probably the Italian Harrier, Viggen Mod D & F.3 Tornado. They may add the F4F ice as well just for the occasion. They will add the British and US capable harrier as well.
Gj likes to test the waters of advanced weapon systems on attackers and lesser performing fighters.
hopefully
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One of the devs did explain why sarh missiles explode after certain time passed when lock is lost in old forum. their reasoning was there were no possibility to re-acquire the target for none of the missiles (this was before R27 and AIM54) so instead of keep going straight until they plummet into earth they would explode so player could understand their missile is dead. as far as i know besides sparrow p there is no such datalink functionality in any of the sparrows. however super 530s actually have some sort of re acquisition mechanism built in. radar should try to re acquire the target automatically for couple seconds and then if it fails to lock on it enters into flood mode and hopes for the best (none of this implemented of course…)
There are multiple outstanding reports about the F-15’s radar, AIM-7M(and other missile) minimum altitudes, multi-target tracking, seeker maximum acquire range. There’s other things that I think might be reported but can’t find.
That’s good to know, there’s also reports for the MiG-23s radar that are ancient at this point. Surely it’s for bias reasons.
I mean it is sort of frustrating that R-27R/ER has had ability to datalink reconnect for almost a year now while it turns out that AIM-54 in addition to not doing the same cannot even support multiple uninterrupted datalinks. R-27 was fixed in what, less than a month? Whereas AIM-7 and AIM-54 have been broken for months and literal years respectively.
Is this necessarily bias? Not necessarily, but it’s certainly bad practice.
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Yeah, I can’t be mad at the devs on this instance. How the hell do you implement such a highly versatile programable active homing missile capable of dogfight maneuvers at medium range? Especially being that western fighters can carry many of them.
The Harrier can hold 6x and still have 2x sidewinders…
These missiles are extremely undetectable when launched at range and by the time they enter the terminal phase and give off an RWR warning. The missile has already gained such kinematic energy there is usually no time available to defeat the missile with radar defeating maneuvers or CM.
I do not see how they will implement these missiles without nerfing them beyond recognition. Even if they drastically reduced the number American fighters can carry. There is nothing else they can nerf other than the missile itself.
They already nerfed US 4th generation airborne interception radars to F-4 phantom levels.
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120 will be gimped hot piece of garbage without smokeless engine, terrible reliability and it will eat chaff at first sight… Then they will go, add R-77, notoriously known as the true hot piece of garbage that india is replacing instantly after their first combat experience where it didnt even managed to achieve ranges stated by russians and it will be ER vs 7M all over again, just in Fox3… its not like flanker would be perfectly fine with its current missile load against amraams… only russian jet that should get it is SMT.
Aim-120 combat proven missile which achieved numerous kills will be trash meanwhile real life trash will be broken OP because gaijin will use propaganda numbers from brochures.
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Let it be known I’ve been advocating R-27ER vs AIM-120
ER was fine on first 29s as they had only R60M but now… its not fine at all, esp with what 7M does. 120 vs ER is pretty much perfect assymetrical “balance” you can get where one side gets the BFM missile advantage too. Only issue could be amraam in combination with gripen. That could be nuts. Low missile count but essentially good in both BVR and BFM.
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Lmao we had people ask for aim-120 to counter R-73 in the old forums
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That is such a silly made up excuse.
It is 100% absolutely possible and happened in Vietnam and elsewhere.
its why the Aim7M has an autopilot computer to maintain course to last known track for the very reason that a signal may be reestablished. lol the sparrow’s receiver does not magically break when a signal is lost.
A SARH missile is reliant on a specific frequency energy from the host aircraft emitted in a continuous wave against a target which is received by the missile’s receiver or what many refer to a “seeker”.
However, advancements in radars of the 4th generation have the ability to emit a pulse frequency at repetitions at a rate high enough to guide a sparrow. It is called high PRF formally known as “interrupted continuous wave” or informally as “chopped continuous wave.”
Additionally, in game you were ALWAYS able to reestablish a lock if you did it fast enough. So, an excuse it is impossible contradicts their own game.
There is no excuse for any of the sparrows to detonate their warheads because a signal was lost NOR is there any excuse why the Aim7M cannot maintain same course when a signal has ceased. The only reason is purely out of an intentional NERF to western radar guided weapon systems.
I would love to hear @k_stepanovich updated thoughts on the immediate exploding SARHS of Western fighters.
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Not quite so-unlike the USA, the USSR never hid that they were developing on the basis of German documents …
- Guidance systems (Radar / Thermal/Television)-were first developed in Germany…
2.Non-contact fuses (Optical/Infrared/Radio fuses)-also appeared for the first time in Germany… - In the USSR, work was carried out in parallel and did not lag far behind the United States in time-the first launches of K-8 missiles From the Yak-27K were made in 1957…The K-8 rocket was ready by mid-1958…But the I-75 fighter for which it was created due to the refinement of the Eagle radar was not adopted…
Spoiler
- The rocket in the R-8M (K-8-2) variant was adopted in May 1960…
- The United States is not the inventor of Passive Radar Guidance weapon systems …
6.The USA is a pioneer in the creation of Active Radar Homing (ARH) systems…homing anti-ship planning bomb ASM-N-2 Bat(1945)…
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I never said the US was the inventor of passive weapon systems.
Thanks for sharing though, I will read through these now.
Your history is only slightly off.
ASM-N-2 Bat is NOT active homing.
The US invented semi active radar guided air launched munitions for both air and surface targets. If you say they invented active radar homing I would say yeah, probably that too.
AAM-A-1 Firebird
Would you like to know the years these were developed and placed in service?
Additional note. There is no such thing as a passive radar guidance weapon system.
If its radar guided, a signal must be emitted from either the missile or host aircraft which can be detected. Therefore, it is not passive homing like that of IR missiles which emit zero electromagnetic emissions but only seek and receive.
Semi active radar missiles such as the Aim7 are called so because they must rely on radar emissions of the host aircraft to walk the missile to target. Where the “active” part comes in is that many sparrows like the M are equipped with additional technologies to help guide the missile on its own such as autopilot computer and midcourse correction in the likely event signal interruption occurs from the host aircraft’s radar over the great distance and time it takes the Aim7s to target. However, in order to precisely strike a target, signal must be reestablished in the terminal phase.
NONE of those technologies are modelled in game and the sparrow’s warhead intentionally detonates upon signal loss. Why?
You tell me.
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American team syndrome
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Yup.
Win rate percentages drastically drop for the US after a patch drop as new players come to the game. Spam premiums or outright buy 12.3 fighters and have no idea how to fly them.
GJ should not nerf competing nations fighters because of it and just let those players get better on their own. I did it and everyone else will too.
I never fly the US tech tree right after an update. It ends up being you getting targeted by 6 other opponents after they immediately cleared out the whole US team that was migrating like flock of geese toward the middle of the map.
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