F-15 Eagle: History, Performance & Discussion

State trials were complete of the missile R-27R/T in 1984. The R-27E variants were already in trials on the Su-27 as of 1983. The AIM-7F didn’t enter service until '76 and the AIM-7M '82. Russia had already been using monopulse seekers since the introduction of the R-23 in the 70s.

It is unfair that the F-15 is stuck with the AIM-7F/M. It is.
However, the whole pointing towards timelines thing is dumb. If they wanted equivalency and not bias towards their side they should ask for equivalent equipment.

The AIM-120A would be a good counter to the R-27ER but it isn’t exactly a 1:1 symmetrical one. It would again have advantages and disadvantages. It would at least be closer to balance than the current R-27ER vs AIM-7M situation.

Fixing the Phoenix might also be a good balancing cue but leaves other countries behind.

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There is no mechanism for that though, since vehicle limiting only occurs in RB in full down-tiers predicating reserved rungs at top BRs for unbalanced vehicles to sit by themselves to avoid compression, though limiting their quantitative advantage, I just am and questioning what the next step would be since AMRAAMs aren’t ready yet, considering the response to the MiG-29 doing poorly for all of three days post release was the -27ER, not the R-73, it’s not like they can hand out the -9X or a HMD(to each F-15) so its obvious that the established precedent is not an option for said F-15s, and it runs counter to the later addition of AMRAAM capable variants.

Seriously though what is the next option Skip forward to the F-22, F-35? Restore the balance What of the other nations that don’t have such a wide array of intermediary options so would nominially rely on ordnance updates, and so the next step cases yet larger performance deltas, even if Gaijin were to Hyper-focus on bloating the trees out with minor additions as best they could (e.g. numerous Challenger 2 / M1 variants, with minor variations and tweaks), but for aircraft, at least more so then they already are with the Tranches of C&P airframes that they have been.

The point I’m making is that things are entirely out of order for the way Gaijin’s Symmetric balancing, The only thing the Su-27 lacks is guided A2G ordinance, which is a minor issue and practically irrelevant. The closest performing airframe is probably the F-14, and even then is arbitrarily constrained by a lower BR to couldn’t get contemporary ordnance let alone the lack of utility features like the HMD( VTAS II & -III was trialed by F-14A-90s) and various issues with the radar and other utility features (AN/ALR-23, AN/AXX-1, etc.) to keep pace with the new addition. and the other nations are in an even worse spot since their limited offerings either don’t have the legs or are stuck with Sparrows of all things for the most part.

The entire point of the timeline argument is point out that if things were balanced based on year of introduction / First flight / IOC etc. , practically the entirely of toptier would be the other way around, with NATO / US not having to fight with a 5~30 year handicap would practically smoke the opposition from BVR endlessly past 8.3 or so when missiles show up (AIM-7E-2 or -7F vs R-3R is not an even match up), even with the currently modeled inaccuracies in features and ordnance.

and further in this explicit case, the F-15A in question would be facing off against the MiG-23ML / -23MLD / MiG-21Bis, maybe an early MiG-29 or two depending on which configuration(s) the F-15 is in.
Especially considering for example that there are few modeled differences between the AIM-7F and -7M at this point, many of the potential differences are practically irrelevant, provisions were provided for Countermeasures from the airframes introduction, but they were not fitted until later so for the same reason the ML gets their strake dispenser rack; a hypothetical F-15A (Introductory) / Early could as well.

The Maps, Objectives and Matchmaker causing specific issues doesn’t help either, but those are getting addressed slowly over time and aren’t really something that airframe to airframe balance should take into account.

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Yea most of the time F-15s will just try to evade all those 27ers lol

Most of the time, the radars aren’t ready on dev and are just a copy-paste. N001 on the Su-27 seems to be a copy of the N010 (I think), for example.

Bulannikov said that it was decided to issue FOX-3 missiles to all (countries/aircraft who could use them) at once- most likely in the second update of 2024…Therefore, Grippen has a SkyfLash for now…

Why in the second update of 2024? why do you think that?

BVVD told, arh missile come in first or second update 2024, more likely in second

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Oh I did not know! well those are great news, at least we know they will come soon

that’s good, f15 unfortunately will suffer for 3-4 months but then it’ll be far better than how it is rn

Probably not getting AMRAAM on the F-15A model tho, if current trends continue…

MiG-23M → MiG-23MLD
F-14A → F-14B
F-16A/ADF → F-16C
MiG-29 (9-13) → MiG-29SMT
Mirage 2000C → Mirage 2000-5F

Now… F-15A…

Which one? Not the Japanese with aaam3 for sure

Most likely, Yes…this update is an advertising test (New Year’s) …
For example, the FOX-3 (R-77) missiles can use the Su-27SM and J-11A…but not the current versions that they are adding…

I mean it’s cool to have an aim9m that turns a bit more but that’s all, the bvr capabilities are slightly better than the f16 cuz you can carry 2 more 7Ms but the sparrows are absolute trash anyway, not to mention the FM that it’s probably inferior to almost every other 4th gen ingame, with the f14a and the SMT being an exception. The japanese f15 is the only eagle ingame that is better than the viper available on its tree and that’s only because the f16aj doesn’t have 9Ms, the f16C and the barak were more relevant additions for their respective countries than the eagle, if you think about it, the f15a could be added together with the f16 in the apex predators with 9Ls that it would make no difference at all…

Ur correct, they’ll probably add the f15c

tried my hand at the F-15s STR, seems to be about right

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Yeah, initially i thought that it was underperforming and that the model was bricked but apparently that’s how it is, at least regarding str

yeah its weird, and from limited testing the Su-27 appears to be underperforming, though this one is harder to test since Ive found it harder to hold a rate and altitude in the Su-27 compared to the F-15, but from the few times I’ve managed it seemed to be ~.6-.7g off which is a 2 deg/s difference in turnrate

F-15 I originally found ITR might be underperforming, but ITR is harder to test consistently since it’s “max lift” usually if ITR is underperforming STR is too though or vice versa.

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15 is def underperforming right now if its getting out turned by a phantom

I heard the su27 should bleed less energy but i’m not sure about that, we need more info about it


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