F-14A/B at 11.7/12.0 is too OP

Late model of F-14B was called as F-14B(U) and U means “Upgrade”.
The main differences between the F-14B and F-14B(U) are the addition of EGI, GPS/JDAM, ECMD, and Sparrowhawk HUD. Also, “bombcat” upgrade was not part of the GPU/JDAM modifications so, F-14A never had it.

Not all F-14B(U) modifications received to the normal F-14B, only some squadrons used it such as VF-103 Jolly Rogers.

It did though beyond a 10km launch the Aim-54 has enough energy to turn just as well as R-13M1

F-14 is currently superior to all 12.3 due to Aim-54

Aim-54 has similar chaff resistance to Aim-7m so to effectively notch one you need to

  1. Have an RWR that actually tells you the direction down to a 5° window good luck in an F-104 or mirage
  2. Enough maneuverability to turn into a notch
  3. Enough chaff to decoy
  4. Enough time to pull up to prevent IOG from killing you
    And all that time you’re unable to fight back ARH vs SARH no matter how bad the ARH is will always result in the ARH winning simply because it prevents you from any counterplay while the missile is in the air
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Me when I see F-15J which has one of best IR missiles in the game.
If you want to see F-14B have same BR with F-15J or higher, it needs an AIM-9M and a 25G AIM-54C.

yeah because phoenixes are equivalent to amraams… surely…

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I predict F-14B upgraded avionics and armament to F-14D standard but not change radar

David Bowie said last week JASDF F-15J in japan tech tree equipped AN/APG-63 PSP radar like F-15A from USA tech tree

F-15J move to 12.7 BR (Air AB, Air RB & Air SB) in the future ?

Off to 12.7 then

Do none of you people actually realise that G pull is a non stat it does literally nothing the Phoenix already pulls harder than a missile with a supposed higher “G overload”
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F-14B(U) didn’t gets radar upgrades so, it should have AWG-9.
Also, cockpit is still different from F-14D.


My point is that AIM-54A/AIM-54C should have been able to pull more than the current Phoenix because it was historically dual plane.

If they has 24-25Gs and some reworks like rocket motor, both F-14s should gets higher BR because undodgable deathzone that can be created depending on the launch distance.

The missile is already impossible to deal with at range outside of notching what are you on about besides they already do pull the equivalent of “25 G” at range

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it is not “equivalent” lmao. AIM-54s we currently have works as single-plane.
As far as I know, Gaijin does not model dual-planes, and several missiles, such as R-27ERs, Matra Magic 2 work as a single plane instead.

It is equivalent the Phoenix already pulls at a 18°+ AOA at range that makes it 25g equivalent

They dont model it for balance reasons a magic II that can do 35° AOA would force most of the french french magic II planes up to 12.0 minimum

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You mean fin AoA?
They buffed it in last 2 patch iirc but, it now have more drags as far as I know.

Probably the experts on the AIM-54 topic know far more about this than I do, but if the drags, rocket moters has been fixed, the fin AoA can be utilized even more effectively because of better speed and could be on par with a 13.0BR jets.

Whatever, current 54s are really far from irl one.

From a “decompression” point of view, this should be the case whenever possible.
It is unfortunate that Gaijin intentionally does not implement the historical features or performance of missiles and limits them for the sake of balance.

The drag has been untouched the only thing that changed was a barely noticeable nerf to the rocket motor

AIM-54 is a 15g missile.

You need to be perpendicular or have the missile behind you to chaff, cause it’s a head-on radar.
Granted, having a AIM-54 behind you defeats it without chaff pretty quickly.

AIM-54 is not as strong as you think they are.

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G pull doesn’t mean anything according to the game SRAAM is a 20g missile when it clearly isnt

Its almost like the majority of the planes the F-14 faces in its current permadowntier dont have good RWR for instance the mirage F1 is only capable of telling you if the missile is left, right, forwards or backwards nothing more it doesn’t tell you the angle which is the most important part when it comes to notching

They are you’re the one downplaying them

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F-14A is 10.7, 11.3 is not 10.7 as you imply/claim.

Good RWRs aren’t needed, and you cite F1C which easily has the countermeasures and RWR to defend against an F-14’s launch.

Phoenixes still haven’t fragged me more than once in the entire history of the game.
And that once was cause I was flying straight ignoring my RWR.

13.0 and buffing the AIM-54 to historical values

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No, as F-4F ICE is superior to the F-14B.
The only way F-14s see even 12.7 is if they get AMRAAMs, which they cannot.

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If you add stuff like this the F-14s will definitely end up just be at the same BR as amraam carriers and at that point why would you not pick the amraam carriers

You mean 13.0? I don’t know about F-14D but, F-14A Early and F-14B wouldn’t go that.

Even if the AIM-54A motor became selectable and the historical buff in guidance was added, the Phoenix would still be 12.0BR or 12.3BR if their “stats” are good even with the AIM-9L because it is not as good as the AMRAAM except for range.

F-14B will be horrible things especially in SB because AIM-54C has low smoke motor and different guidances.

If you start adding smokeless motors and better variants they will