Also, where droptanks Gaijin?
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Same place as the functionning AN/AXX-1 TCS
The depths of “gaijin couldn’t be bothered modelling it” hell
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@Ziggy1989 We should give this thread some love I think
Is there anything like pictures of the cockpit / displays that show the ability to do this stuff that we can use in a report?
I am sure it’s on a nob somewhere, but I will look into it. Give me some time.
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There’s a whole thread for this conversation over here. Y’all should give it some love, only has ~50 something comments so far.
Time to get this thread moving again (Especially since with possibly imminent AMRAAM update F14D could be on the table)
So, we have the problems with the AIM-54 as discussed in its own thread here:
AN/AXX-1 Is not modeled, should have a search pattern as @MythicPi has discussed. Overall appears much closer to an IRST than a laser designator as it is depicted in the game.
AN/AWG-9 / APG-71 Both cannot be modeled correctly because there is an artificial limit of 115 standard miles on TWS tracks using the AWG-9. It can detect, lock, and track a target using TWS exceeding that range, but it cannot actually engage until < 115 miles.
And F-14D will have the IRST as well, which should allow for seeker slaving of AIM-7, AIM-9, AIM-54, along with steering the CW emitter on the equipped radar. This functionality should also be present with the TCS.
Advanced modes present for the radar and IRST were also present IRL. IRST had a ‘raw’ output mode which appears to have displayed a raw IR image to the pilot or RIO. Radar also had the TID which allowed the Pilot/RIO to pin and quick-swap between targets.
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Although the F-14’s were tested with AMRAAM, I highly doubt gaijin will add the AMRAAM to it. It would be great if the F-14D could run something like 2xAIM-54C+ 4xAIM-120 2xAIM-9M in-game though.
F-14 with AMRAAM:
Most interesting though is a single image of an F-14 witha dual AMRAAM mount, which could push the total number of missiles up to 10 and match something like the Su-27, which would be a good balancing factor ingame imo:
Yeah, discussed this in this approved bug report. Its been passed to devs, although I’m not sure if they’d ever bother modelling it properly, never mind if the bug report is still even open (any idea @Gunjob ?)
As for its search pattern:
All theyd need to do is make the AN/AXX-1 act like a optoelectronic lock seen on IFV’s such as the BMP-2M and such, but add the ability to launch and guide radar missiles while using it tbh.
F-14 also test AGM-88 HARM’s:
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With AMRAAM introduced, F14D wouldn’t be power-creeping the game since opposing countries would have capable aircraft of their own with BVRAAMS. Also I agree, considering how Gaijin has dealt with the early MiG-29s I find it unlikely 14D will get AMRAAM.
Do we have any documentation stating its effective locking range and maybe optical zoom as well?
And of course, the saddle drop-tanks which I forgot to mention are totally absent from the game.
Later versions had the fins removed
In game any RADAR range limit 93km ( before F-14A 37km ) you just don’t found any targets on >93Km
Its zoom is accurate, its 4x and 10x. As for lock range, I believe its detailed in the paper in my bug report, but I dont quite have time to read through the wall of text atm.
See this video
I tested the record-range Phoenix shot. Could not actually track/fire until 115 miles, however you can see the TWS display showing the target’s vector (and that it is selected) at 120 miles+ range.
Not all radar modes have the same max lock range. PD STT might’ve allowed you to, and PDV STT would have the longest range.
Just re-fired up the mission. Despite showing up in PD-V and TWS exceeding that range, the game limits lock to 115 standard miles in both cases. The real shot was taken at 110 nautical miles (200km, 126 miles)
SRC couldn’t detect the target and PD-HDN struggled slightly. All modes that could detect the target were unable to fire until 115 miles. (Against a Yak28B) Will try with a fighter and a bigger bomber and see how the results change.
Edit: After further testing, this hard limit is not dependent on any other factors, since whether the target was a Yak-28, MQ-1, or BV-238 the same hard limit applies. (All of which were detected at varying distances beyond 115 miles)
(Also, how does an MQ-1 have a similar detection range to a BV-238? That seems rather impossible to me)
Mission here: WT Live // Mission by pyroraptor841
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Still open.
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A quick heads up for anyone interested, my suggestion for the RIO to stop being so freaking useless in WT was finally approved for discussion!
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Is there any F-14A/B turn rate data with light or clean carriage? Manuals only give data for with missile loads which doesn’t particularly help.
I really hope they do eventually add the version of the F-14 that was tested with AMRAAM. Aren’t there a bunch of other vehicles in the game with capabilities which come from testing rather than actual service?
Realistically, I think the best bet for that in-game would be the F-14D Super Tomcat.
Yes I know iirc the F-14D didn’t test them, and only the F-14A did, but adding AMRAAM to an F-14A woul;d be a little odd in the first place.
The F-14D with AIM-9M, AIM-120A/B, and AIM-54C+ on the other hand would be a truly interesting and very capable fighter, which otherwise would have little to no reason to be added over the current F-14B due to gaijins outright refusal to fix the AIM-54C.
At the point when we can expect an F-14D to be added, there will be little to no reason for it to be added in-game anyways, since it would only bring a better radar and 9M’s over the current F-14B, and will have to compete with aircrafts with better weapons and more missiles in the case of the Su-27, Rafale, and EF2000, that also have better flight performance.
For it to be competitive, the AIM-54C(and by extension C+) will have to be fixed so that they aren’t the absolute joke they currently are at the very least, and the AIM-120A/B would also go a long way in bridging the midrange gap between the F-14D and other gen 4 and gen 4+ aircrafts that will be added.
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F-14D would already be better due to radar, systems, IRST, AIM-7P block 2, etc. No need for AMRAAM but it is welcome.
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Considering that the AIM-54 / -7 already struggles at combat distances vs the -27ER, the AMRAAM / R-77 are going to put them in the dirt due to the TTK disparity on top of the fact they can break cold and have even higher maneuvering limits.
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