So the F-14 IRIAF just got moved to 13.0 in rb. Should it get all aspect IR missle? Or 27ER? Or both? (Same event vehicle at 13.0, kfir gets Derby)
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F-14 IRIAF could carry all aspect. There is the Fatter variant of AIM-9P and there were some successful tests to certify R-73 on it. It can use it , they don’t because the missile is in high demand with the Russian planes they got.
It shouldn’t even have R-27R, not carry 27ER. But it can go with a 6xFakour /AIm-54 set up as well.
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I saw a bug report about it being able to carry +2 more Fakour’s passed, just hoping that they consider giving it the R-73’s atleast. I could barely kill people in 13.0+ and my usual tactic now devolves to hoping my Fakour’s can distract people enough that my teammates who have better Fox-1’s & 2’s do the job. R27R is meh in a joust with the IOG coming in handy in small situations.
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AIM-9Ls wouldn’t save F-14A IRIAF, it’s unplayable due to its radar, RWR, and countermeasure count which can’t be changed.
The only thing that “saves” F-14A IRIAF is if decompression happens and the 12.3s its equivalent to move to 13.0 at some point.
You say that like the Expanded Chaff Adapter doesn’t exist.
The ECA is placed in the position of the LAU-93 missile launcher (usually used for the AIM-54 missile or bomb racks) and can carry an extra pack of chaff and flare decoys. These additional chaffs and flares are used for self protection on especially critical missions such as a TARPS flights over enemy terrain. It is commonly used in addition to the AN/ALQ-167 ECM Pod.
Did the F-14A’s sent to Iran every fly with them, no. But that hasn’t stopped Gaijin previously, and won’t in future considering precedents like the F-5C.
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I don’t care if it is saved or not - just give me some all-aspects to help after I’ve unloaded the F90/R27R. Anything but being stuck with AIM-9P.
My biggest pain point is the RWR (which some sources claim has been upgraded), and it’s also possible the engines have been enhanced.
In Sim Battles, it feels unfair to fly an aircraft that can’t reliably detect incoming missiles. In Realistic Battles, you do get warnings, but they’re so low-quality: with the F-18C in 12.7 you see the lock immediately, whereas in the F-14A in 13.0 you often only get a brief blip moments before impact.
I understand the Fakour-90 missiles are very capable and well-balanced for a 13.0 aircraft, but in my opinion the rest of the F-14’s systems lag significantly behind its competition.
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So real.
Fakour is more like a gamble thing, get kill or not really depends on how dumb the enemy are, gaijin really need add some better missiles to replace the AIM-9P and R-27r1. (What a joke put a plane at 13.0 fighting 14.0 planes all day while don’t have all aspect IR missile, balance department really smoked high on something.)
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Personally, this is what I think they should do. I’d rather have the F-14A IRIAF better at higher BR than trash at lower BRs.
This is the most annoying part of it. The F-14s have such terrible avionics and missiles for the BR.
F90 is not that capable , at least in RB , it’s more of a one trick pony-skillcheck missile. It’s capabilities are heavily based in the opponents understanding how the missile works.
The only time i’ve died to that missile in how many matches is the time that i contested it without really thinking ,without any precaution and that happened while i had the same plane/missile.
When it was 12,7 , ALL of my matches in MF.1 while i was grinding French TT i didn’t die once to it, and people are saying that MF.1 has crap RWR, for the reason i knew it was there so i already took measures in the case i was shot.
That being said it created a bit boring gameplay…but that’s that.
Also the only planes actually affected by the change in the BR ,were MiG 23ML/MLA/MLD , F-111C/F , A-10C and Kfir C2 (yes with just 2 AIM-9G is 11,7) .
And if you go deeper, the major crying was from 23ML users that tried to dart in to bases without possibly checking a crap around them anyway…
And that comes from someone that played most games against the plane and not using the plane. I started to use the plane when it became 13.0…
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Do you even know what are you talking about?
That is exactly what I mean, the time I die to F90 can count only using one hand. And I can’t even remeber how many top tier air rb games I played since F-14IRIAF came out.
This another thing, plane like A-10C put at 11.7 is insane, doesn’t matter it have a lot counter measure and 9Ms, it’s low speed makes it very hard to dodge radar missiles even doing 3-9 and spamming chaff. while it have good gun and short range IR missile, people just simply run away choose not to close fight with you.
I played a lot 23ML and never bombed a single base, if you use it correctly 23ML is a decent plane.
This game is literally the result when I play 23ML last week saw teammates rush to die in 5 minutes after start of the game and me is trying to 1 vs 5 carry the team, at the end I run out eveything (fuel, counter measures, cannon ammo) and die to a F-16 or F-20’s 9L,
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Bad phrasing. I’d rather the IRIAF be viable at a higher BR than not Viable at it’s current BR.
kinda
There is one BIG problem.
Even if they’ve said that it is upgraded , we don’t know how much and what components they’ve used.
They talk about 40-50% radar range, though pilots just said it’s better than the original (there is a story behind pilots not wanting to fly it and they’ve lied to them that they haven’t touched anything and in fact they understood it was better than the original AWG-9, but those are stories without erally giving info).
There are enough pictures about the cockpit being changed with screens etc. , nothing on actual info…
We just know it’s upgraded.
Weapons? We know Fatter exists and it’s been used. Most of the newer (after 2009) pictures with F-14 with 9Ps are Fatters. The last deliveries of anything US , were somehere in '79 before the fall of Shah.
As much as maintenance goes any 9P has expired in 40 years…so using the bodies for Fatter is completely believable and justified scenario.
Asspull thought, it should be hard equivalent of 9P-5, but no info. The 40km range that they say, i believe is propaganda…At best they’ve used Russian or Chinese seekers and copied them , in a 9P body (can be done) , still for game purposes it would be a 9P-5 equivalent , 9P body can do that much.
Nothing spectacular or OP, but asspull thought…with no info behind it.
R-73? They say they can fire it but they don’t equip it because of shortage and they keep it for Russian made planes. However, there are pictures of F-4s with it, not anything with F-14 though.
What i mean is, they can ^make up^ things and still be believable… It’s not that they don’t exist. What doesn’t exist is much info around them. On the other hand , it carries R-27R that it shouldn’t…but i don’t believe since it has F90 , losing R-27R and giving All Aspect IR with IRCCM would bother anyone.
The softest solution is Fatter with 9P-5 characteristics (which is kιnda believable since , like 9P-5 with 9M seeker, any seeker can’t bypass the missile bodies limitations) .
Then give F-14B 9M and call it a day.
They would both at least be worthy to play…nothing OP for 13.0.
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To my knowledge, if this is something that actually happened, what they did is proabably use their native programming they made to configure the AWG-9 to give more range somehow. That or they upgraded the radar itself.
40km range means it has around the same effective range as the IR missiles we have right now. The Aim-9M also technically has “40km range” which is absolute best conditions.
Yeah. It’s smart since the F-14s will hopefully never get close enough to need them, but it means we have almost no grounds for it to be added.