Gaijin does not really like aggressor squadrons because there a little strange and I doubt they can fight maybe only as bait.
Exactly, I don’t think they belong in the list, although I have to mention it just in case some people misunderstood that the MiG-29 would be operated by Indonesian Air Force
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There are only a few aggressor units that could be added. This is sadly not one of them. The USA has some that are fully armed but there planes that are modified to fight like Russian or Chinese planes but they are not. The IAI Kfir in USA service may be an example as some say they could be armed others say they could not.
indonesia cancelled the f15s
It had been removed from the list since January earlier this year
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New Rafale B spotted, T-0304
its looking evermore likely that the 2nd batch of Rafale delivery later on in the year will be 2 Rafale C + 1 Rafale B
Updated spotted ID Rafale list:
- T-0301 | B = Active Service in (ID)
- T-0302 | B = Active Service in (ID)
- T-0303 | B = Active Service in (ID)
- T-0304 | B = Testing in (FR)
- T-0317 | C = Testing in (FR)
- T-0318 | C = Testing in (FR)
In case some people hasnt caught up yet, the Rafale Bs has been put in service since earlier in the year
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Does anyone know the loadout Indonesian Rafale has and any pictures? Is it the exact same as the french rafale?
So far it appears to be a standard F.4.1 with no customer changes; in other words: current same loudout as M F-3R in-game with additional the AASM-1000.
I see thanks, do you know if Indonesia’s rafale gets access to the Mica NG or has capability with it?
From a Standard evolution progress perspective; the MICA NG comes with F.4.2.
I.e. unless Indonesia decides to acquire MICA NG, its not compatible based on current information - also considering France doesn’t show F.4.1 retrofitted with NGs.
But with Gaijin’s logic as seen on the Su30mkm getting kh38, could the Indonesian rafale get the mica ng through capability? Or is the F.4.2 a completely different plane so Indonesia has to order F.4.2 to use Mica NG?
As far as I know, the Su-30MKM received the Kh-38 because the manufacturer claimed compatibility with Su-30MK type aircraft - not comparable in this case.
I see so either Indonesia orders Mica NG or Dassault needs to state that MICA NG is compatible with both F.4.1 and F.4.2, thanks
Throwback to that time Indonesia wanted to buy the F-20 Tigershark. After a series of crashes and the fact that the F-16 became available, this deal fell through
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The F-20 boasts advantages such as low operating costs and easy maintenance. This aircraft can be prepared for takeoff in a very short time and then hunt down its opponents.
The Tiger Shark is considered suitable for developing countries with limited defense budgets. Indonesia was initially interested in purchasing it.
“In the United States, a fighter jet manufacturer will succeed if its Air Force chooses its aircraft. No matter how good its performance, if it doesn’t enter the USAF, the manufacturer will go bankrupt,” wrote Air Marshal (Ret.) Wisnu Djajengminardo in his biography, “Testimony to a Space Traveler,” published by Angkasa Bandung.
After retiring from the Indonesian Air Force, Wisnu worked for PT Sunda Karya, a Northrop representative. The company attempted to sell the F-20 Tiger to the Indonesian military.
In 1984, an F-20 prototype conducted a demonstration at Halim Perdanakusuma Air Force Base in Jakarta. Officials from the Ministry of Defense and Security (Hankam) who witnessed the fighter jet’s maneuvers were pleased with the Tiger Shark’s capabilities.
Shortly after the disaster, another F-20 prototype crashed in Canada. The fighter jet had just been unveiled at the Paris Airshow. Whether pilot or mechanical error was the cause was unknown. This dashed Northrop’s hopes of being selected by the US Air Force.
“The USAF finally chose the F-16,” Wisnu said.
The story of the Tiger Shark has come to an end. Only three prototypes were produced. Its development reportedly cost $1.2 billion at the time. Unfortunately, the F-20 ultimately failed to reach mass production.
Suharto sitting in the cockpit during Indonesian Air Show 1986. Habibie can be seen alongside him
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Did we actually test it? Dont know 100%, but we have this photo:
The one on the left is then-flight lieutenant Colonel Holki BK, an F-5 pilot who also trialed the Mirage 2000 B-01 prototype in France. To the right is then-flight lieutenant Colonel Wartoyo. Wartoyo would eventually fly out the F-16 once it was purchased.
Now why would Holki BK, who keep in mind did the testing for the other potential future jet of the Air Force has harness on? Not to mention that same harness is almost identical to the ones worn by other F-20 pilots (notice the chest area) as well as the both of the ID pilots being photographed in front of the F-20 tigershark 🤔
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UPDATE V13
Separated the HAWK 109/209 into two different version = Early & Late
Primary difference is that the early variant doesnt have the wingtip rail mount for the AIM-9P4/P5 Sidewinders
Early (left) vs Late (right)
Possible implementation:
- early variant gets the P4 sidewinders & AGM-65G, but can only carry 2x maverick + 2 sidewinders or only 4x maverick with no missile
- late variant gets the P5 with AGM-65G/K2 (IR/TV respectively), with it capable of carrying 6x AIM-9P5, or 2x P5 & 4x AGM-65G/K2
on another note, should I add these “ambigous” type of vehicles to the list? AKA things that:
- Not 100% confirmed to be flown (like the F-20)
- ID pilots only flying backseat/not actually flying the jet before sales (like the Qatari Mirage 2000-5DDA before we scrapped the purchase plans)
- Fully-built Mock-up vehicles as demonstrator for sales purposes (like the PTDI Eurofighter)
Yay/nay
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let me know what you guys think
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do you have more source for the difference of Early and Late Hawk 209? i ask in reddit about this possible separation of Hawk 209 but there is an evidence that apparently both Hawk 109 and 209 can equip or unequip the wing tip rail. other than that probably it’s only the RWR and ordnance difference
Photo of Hawk 209 and 109 from the 90s with wing tip rail
im pretty sure they can carry it by default, but the reason they’re separated is primarily because Gaijin doesnt wanna increase the BR of the current premium
So thats why i separated it into two different entities
- one w/o wingtips with purely underwing Aim-9P4 (AIM-9L Seeker) & limited amount of agm [2x AA, 2x agm] (~10.7)
- one w/ wingtips with AIM-9P5 (IRCCM AIM-9M seeker) as well as the added AGMs & underwing/wingtip AA pylons [possible 6x AA] (~11.7-12.0)
they could switch out the current prem model with the one without wingtips, keeping it at the same BR
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All Hawk 100s and 200s are technically capable of carrying wingtip sidewinders by design
The tips you see without a LAU-7 rail fitted, are just an aerodynamic fairing that can be taken off to reveal the flat surface where the launch rail is mounted
These photos are from an Australian Hawk 127 showing the changes to the tip when fitting or not fitting sidewinder rails
The non-sidewinder wingtip for Hawk is the kind you see on Mk.50/60 series aircraft where it’s rounded off, and has position lights in the wingtip instead of on the sides of the engine intakes.
UPDATE V14
Following the polls, some Miscellaneous vehicles has been added as a separate part of the main list. These vehicles have connections to Indonesia, but not to the extent that they can be put in the main list
Included vehicles: Mirage 2000-5DDA, Su-30KI, F-20 Tigershark, & Eurofighter Typhoon.
Reasoning for their separation is included in each section. You can check out the top or this section at the bottom
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