Expanded List of Indonesian Vehicles - Air

Machinery of War Discussion Aircraft
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UPDATE V13

Separated the HAWK 109/209 into two different version = Early & Late

Primary difference is that the early variant doesnt have the wingtip rail mount for the AIM-9P4/P5 Sidewinders

Early (left) vs Late (right)

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Possible implementation:

  • early variant gets the P4 sidewinders & AGM-65G, but can only carry 2x maverick + 2 sidewinders or only 4x maverick with no missile
  • late variant gets the P5 with AGM-65G/K2 (IR/TV respectively), with it capable of carrying 6x AIM-9P5, or 2x P5 & 4x AGM-65G/K2

on another note, should I add these “ambigous” type of vehicles to the list? AKA things that:

  1. Not 100% confirmed to be flown (like the F-20)
  2. ID pilots only flying backseat/not actually flying the jet before sales (like the Qatari Mirage 2000-5DDA before we scrapped the purchase plans)
  3. Fully-built Mock-up vehicles as demonstrator for sales purposes (like the PTDI Eurofighter)
Yay/nay
  • Yes
  • No
0 voters

let me know what you guys think

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do you have more source for the difference of Early and Late Hawk 209? i ask in reddit about this possible separation of Hawk 209 but there is an evidence that apparently both Hawk 109 and 209 can equip or unequip the wing tip rail. other than that probably it’s only the RWR and ordnance difference

Photo of Hawk 209 and 109 from the 90s with wing tip rail
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im pretty sure they can carry it by default, but the reason they’re separated is primarily because Gaijin doesnt wanna increase the BR of the current premium

So thats why i separated it into two different entities

  • one w/o wingtips with purely underwing Aim-9P4 (AIM-9L Seeker) & limited amount of agm [2x AA, 2x agm] (~10.7)
  • one w/ wingtips with AIM-9P5 (IRCCM AIM-9M seeker) as well as the added AGMs & underwing/wingtip AA pylons [possible 6x AA] (~11.7-12.0)

they could switch out the current prem model with the one without wingtips, keeping it at the same BR

Of course this is with the thinking that they're going to add the capability of carrying maverick to the inner pylons, which we dont know whether they'll do it since its only a "suggestion"

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All Hawk 100s and 200s are technically capable of carrying wingtip sidewinders by design
The tips you see without a LAU-7 rail fitted, are just an aerodynamic fairing that can be taken off to reveal the flat surface where the launch rail is mounted
These photos are from an Australian Hawk 127 showing the changes to the tip when fitting or not fitting sidewinder rails

Hawk 127

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The non-sidewinder wingtip for Hawk is the kind you see on Mk.50/60 series aircraft where it’s rounded off, and has position lights in the wingtip instead of on the sides of the engine intakes.

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UPDATE V14

Following the polls, some Miscellaneous vehicles has been added as a separate part of the main list. These vehicles have connections to Indonesia, but not to the extent that they can be put in the main list

Included vehicles: Mirage 2000-5DDA, Su-30KI, F-20 Tigershark, & Eurofighter Typhoon.

Reasoning for their separation is included in each section. You can check out the top or this section at the bottom

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Is that not just the su-27skm

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KI is a fully rebuilt Su-27SK, Su-27SKM is a further development of the KI

Su-27SK > SU-30KI > SU-27SKM

pay attention to the IRST location

left KI vs right SKM


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nope Su-30KI is the only single seat Su-30 version

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To be fair, the KI is much closer to the Su-27 compared to the 30 barring the name since its based on the S rather than the UB

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