what version of the su-30 did indonesia have before the mk2? Was it the knaapo one? or was it an irkut one?
knAAPO since its basically the MKK, originally the air force wanted the MKI by Irkutsk but it wasnt available
the engines are different from eachother though, 27 uses Salut’s & 30 uses UMPO’s
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also, whats the difference between j-10b and b+?
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we dont know yet, the reason why it took so long to put it in the future vehicles section was purely because we dont know which variant it was. For the longest time its presumed that its ex-PLAAF B version, but some sources also throws the word C/CE, so again its not 100% agreed
B+ here is basically (B variant refurbished), because that’s what sources suggest is going to be the final deal
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If I remember right on the mind of the snail it’s a case by case situation. Gaijin will sometimes add failed bids if tested, waiting for delivery if it’s sure, and tech tree need.
Delivery means highly likely in my opinion especially planes already modelled in game.
we kinda know this outcome, but its now official, Boeing has confirmed that the F-15ID is dead
Boeing says no longer building F-15 fighter jets for Indonesia | MarketScreener
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originally only a rumor, but now confirmed by Leonardo
EDIT: Additional airframe that ID will get: MiG-29s
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Rumours about MiG-29 aggressor squadron from last year finally bears fruit, the E-System Solutions would provide a squadron of MiG-29C and MiG-29UB for aggressor training.
Although I think the Indonesian Air Force would not directly operate the MiGs, instead they would be operated by contractor, kinda like the Draken International or Top Aces. It’s only my opinion though.
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The M-346 in Indonesian camos will go kinda hard
definitely one to watch, but untill we got an actual concrete details of the plan (such as whether its only a loan or a proper purchase etc) ill probably wait adding them to the list
how did you make the tree
for the vehicles box i used this:
https://przemyslaw-zan.github.io/WT-Tech-Tree-Maker/
the rest is just graphic editing
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it seems to only be a loan of airframe+pilot, ergo it wont be a proper part of the Air Force
would be nice to put it in but not tangible enough unfortunately
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Alright I just found a post by ESS’ CEO from last year, so the MiG-29s would be operated by “Griffon Aggressors”, a subsidiary of ESS, and they would be “entirely overhauled by PT E-System Solutions MRO team based in Indonesia” (I wonder at which airport).
The MiGs would “going through a complete overhaul and upgrade modification program involving EW, IRST, and AESA radar”. The MiGs would carry DELTA Q-EW Light Multi Purpose Cruise Missile, used for “Unmanned Aggressor EW” training against the newly arrived Rafales.
Another important bit is the MiGs is planned to achieve initial operational capability (IOC) status in Q1 2026, so we will see it in the next few months.
Source:
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Gaijin does not really like aggressor squadrons because there a little strange and I doubt they can fight maybe only as bait.
Exactly, I don’t think they belong in the list, although I have to mention it just in case some people misunderstood that the MiG-29 would be operated by Indonesian Air Force
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There are only a few aggressor units that could be added. This is sadly not one of them. The USA has some that are fully armed but there planes that are modified to fight like Russian or Chinese planes but they are not. The IAI Kfir in USA service may be an example as some say they could be armed others say they could not.
indonesia cancelled the f15s
It had been removed from the list since January earlier this year
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