Jokes aside statshark is not actually lying here. The only real misleading thing is the canberra is on 10% fuel but at that fuel load it actually rates better than the rafale.
Signficantly worse radar.
Weaker missiles (in most fights that im in when flying the EFT, you are talking about sub 20km, AMRAAM barely holds any meaningful advantage at those kinds of ranges, but is much weaker in a WVR fight compared to the R-77-1)
Less Missiles
Su-30SM vs Typhoon in any fight where the Typhoon doesnt just have the overwhelming advantage (like being 10-20k ft higher) is a pretty one-sided fight because the SU-30SM will just intercept your missiles with their own and quite happily keep you at range on defensive.
If the Fight then goes WVR, you still have to watch out as the Typhoon only has missiles good in rear-aspect and they need a clean shot, ideally from not that close. R-73 doesnt care about that and will quite happily do HOBS.
A number of times in the past few days ive been in fights vs the Su-30SM in SB and simply not been able to do anything to begin with because my radar simply could never find the target. Doesnt matter how good an FM the Typhoon might have, if I have 12x R-77-1s coming at me and all I can do is try and defeat them all using BOL chaff (which is artificially nerfed) and my FM (which is artificially nerfed) and completely and entirely unable to even fire back.
What we want isnt some OP monster that just wins the fight the moment in enters the fray. What we want is the aircraft’s IRL performance and the ability to at least fight back in a BVR fight. An Option rarely available without spending a good few minutes setting up every advantage and coaxing the radar to just find the target (i literally spend more time managing the radar than I do doing anything else in SB. its insane how much babysitting it needs for basic shots and even then I find myself just giving up and using ACM to hard lock the target rather than doing anything else)
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Longer range means a higher burn time, which with the R-77-1 makes it a deadlier missile. Did I say im getting routinely sniped by a 60km R-77-1?
No what I said is the meta has changed and we are now fighting at lower altitudes and at closer ranges.
At those distances the R-77-1 and the MICA are superior to the 120.
No other 14.0 airframe carries 6 ARHM. If we are comparing apples to apples it is a disadvantage.
120 isnt a lethal unavoidable doom stick. Which means your BVR payload becomes weaker.
Close range the 9M as mentioned is not in the same realms as an R-73/Magic 2/MICA etc.
Its FM is incredible…it’s fast thats really it.
Its acceleration has been nerfed. Its pulls as much G as a gen 4.
Radar is terrible really bad (yes this isnt exclusive to Typhoon) But Typhoon has never had a working Radar. And now rivals are receiving PESA/AESA Radars it will only go downhill for Typhoon.
You have not a shred of a counter point to this.
Typhoon is not the meta, Radar and small fm changes would help it.
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what actually happened is people figured out the people saying bvr is larping were just… correct, it b larping as far as war thunder goes
Exactly the Meta has changed players are back to multipathing making BVR play a sure fire way to waste your limited missiles. Now if I had 12 I wouldnt care. Knowing that when I merge i would still have 6+ missiles left.
Typhoon not only has to fight with it’s Radar but it also has to contend with a low number of ARHM.
And a lack of tools when it needs to get within closer ranges.
he is just a troll, he doesnt even have rafale or typhoon
I dont like to do this, but friend you do not have a Rafale or a Typhoon you dont even have a 14.0 jet.
You are here just to rage bait you have no experience in flying or facing these aircraft.
Yeah i dont like to check profiles because well it’s just a little gross but saw that too
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It is fine to see if the person even has played the vehicle in question or fought against it.
Statshaming on the other hand, yes that is a little gross
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This has not been my experience. Every game I normally see around 8 people at 7km alt at the beginning. Controlling altitude during the midgame is incredibly powerful as top-down aspect ARH missiles are likely to crit or kill multipathing players. What has changed is likely players are getting better at defending against ARH missiles, so long-range shots an AIM-120 is good at are not very effective, you want to close in to ranges where something like a MICA is better.
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im statshaming? What? What the hell is this thread lmao
No what you’re doing is trying to say “skill issue” when you yourself have not actually even played the aircraft under discussion, indicating you are merely here to be annoying, kindly get some experience in the aircraft under discussion rather than trying to be smart about stuff, thank you
You do see players up high, depends more on the team compositions and yes even firing off missiles to disrupt an opponents launch is a viable strategy.
US teams you see F-15E and some F/A-18C (Late) up high
Russian teams seem to sit at the medium to high alt with the Su-30SM having complete battlefield awareness and a huge payload.
Games are devolving to short/medium range engagements and MICA and 77-1 are the kings
Both are equally deadly, but the Aim-120 gets better as the range gets higher.
Yes, but it’s not like the 120 is bad.
Any ARH is highly lethal against any non multipathing target that’s at close range.
It still pulls fairly hard, and it can pull alot of AoA when it needs to at lower speeds. It was better (idk why it was nerfed, it was fine before), but it’s still not bad.
It’s pretty hard to make a counterpoint against someone who will never change their view, and especially hard against someone calling the typhoon bad.
The meta is being in the notch and firing SARH missiles at high off boresight angles.
If you have R77, R77-1 or MICA with a radar/hmd that can lock targets at 90 degrees, you can be an absolute monster, as anyone that tries to close the distance will get anhialated while you remain relatively safe.
AIM120 carriers are forced to missile joust and suffer for it.
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Literally just multipath. It’s stupidly easy and makes you immune to most threats.
Just because something is better, doesn’t mean the other thing is bad. I’ve performed fine in uptiers with my JF-17, and that has limited missiles and flight performance.
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So now we are comparing what you consider the best aircraft in the game the OP Typhoon with “I can do well in an uptier”
Yes you can do well but anyone can however that is less likely, due to the aforementioned points made by players who fly and have used the Typhoon.
Typhoon cannot sit in the notch at ±10km and send 120s they do not have the anywhere near the same pull as the R-77-1 and the MICA. Typhoon Radar struggles to pick up contacts and keep them updated and tracked.
That is not to say you cannot do well with a Typhoon, but as one of the premier aircraft in the game it shouldnt be that far off the current meta. Typhoon needs ASRAAM and a diluted IRIS-T
Even if ASRAAM was modelled as a really long range flare resistance R-27ET I would be happy with that.
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Depending on range and angle that works against a single oponent. Early game or if you simply have to face multiple chances are you will get annihilated.
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I never said it was OP, and most of my arguments have been saying that it’s not bad.
Which is why you multipath to get close and launch an Aim-120 when the enemy is higher. It’s not like they pull bad, they still pull 30gs.
It does not. All it needs is a fixed radar and it would be fine. With that, it would probably be the best BVR plane in the whole game, while still being competitive WVR.
Overall I do decently in it, and not any worse than what I do in other planes. I still need to play it more to get more accurate stats.
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- Fix the radar (or just give up and replace it with AESA)
- Fix the 9Ms (if we cant have HOBS missile, then the 9Ms should at least get decent lock ranges like they had IRL)
- Fix the FM (definetly some wierdness with thrust, it doesnt accelerate quite like it should and almost certainly rips about 6-8G lower than it should)
- Fix BOL (most run it pure chaff, and it being 1/4 the strength it should be sucks)
- DASS has issues
- PIRATE is virtually useless, might as well remove it
- Fix the Cockpit HUD, MFD and HMD (loads of misisng features and symbology)
- Fix the A2G (SAL only Brimstone 1s suck, at least make them 2s and there are multiple missing GBU options)
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