It is fine to see if the person even has played the vehicle in question or fought against it.
Statshaming on the other hand, yes that is a little gross
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This has not been my experience. Every game I normally see around 8 people at 7km alt at the beginning. Controlling altitude during the midgame is incredibly powerful as top-down aspect ARH missiles are likely to crit or kill multipathing players. What has changed is likely players are getting better at defending against ARH missiles, so long-range shots an AIM-120 is good at are not very effective, you want to close in to ranges where something like a MICA is better.
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im statshaming? What? What the hell is this thread lmao
No what you’re doing is trying to say “skill issue” when you yourself have not actually even played the aircraft under discussion, indicating you are merely here to be annoying, kindly get some experience in the aircraft under discussion rather than trying to be smart about stuff, thank you
You do see players up high, depends more on the team compositions and yes even firing off missiles to disrupt an opponents launch is a viable strategy.
US teams you see F-15E and some F/A-18C (Late) up high
Russian teams seem to sit at the medium to high alt with the Su-30SM having complete battlefield awareness and a huge payload.
Games are devolving to short/medium range engagements and MICA and 77-1 are the kings
Both are equally deadly, but the Aim-120 gets better as the range gets higher.
Yes, but it’s not like the 120 is bad.
Any ARH is highly lethal against any non multipathing target that’s at close range.
It still pulls fairly hard, and it can pull alot of AoA when it needs to at lower speeds. It was better (idk why it was nerfed, it was fine before), but it’s still not bad.
It’s pretty hard to make a counterpoint against someone who will never change their view, and especially hard against someone calling the typhoon bad.
The meta is being in the notch and firing SARH missiles at high off boresight angles.
If you have R77, R77-1 or MICA with a radar/hmd that can lock targets at 90 degrees, you can be an absolute monster, as anyone that tries to close the distance will get anhialated while you remain relatively safe.
AIM120 carriers are forced to missile joust and suffer for it.
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Literally just multipath. It’s stupidly easy and makes you immune to most threats.
Just because something is better, doesn’t mean the other thing is bad. I’ve performed fine in uptiers with my JF-17, and that has limited missiles and flight performance.
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So now we are comparing what you consider the best aircraft in the game the OP Typhoon with “I can do well in an uptier”
Yes you can do well but anyone can however that is less likely, due to the aforementioned points made by players who fly and have used the Typhoon.
Typhoon cannot sit in the notch at ±10km and send 120s they do not have the anywhere near the same pull as the R-77-1 and the MICA. Typhoon Radar struggles to pick up contacts and keep them updated and tracked.
That is not to say you cannot do well with a Typhoon, but as one of the premier aircraft in the game it shouldnt be that far off the current meta. Typhoon needs ASRAAM and a diluted IRIS-T
Even if ASRAAM was modelled as a really long range flare resistance R-27ET I would be happy with that.
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Depending on range and angle that works against a single oponent. Early game or if you simply have to face multiple chances are you will get annihilated.
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I never said it was OP, and most of my arguments have been saying that it’s not bad.
Which is why you multipath to get close and launch an Aim-120 when the enemy is higher. It’s not like they pull bad, they still pull 30gs.
It does not. All it needs is a fixed radar and it would be fine. With that, it would probably be the best BVR plane in the whole game, while still being competitive WVR.
Overall I do decently in it, and not any worse than what I do in other planes. I still need to play it more to get more accurate stats.
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- Fix the radar (or just give up and replace it with AESA)
- Fix the 9Ms (if we cant have HOBS missile, then the 9Ms should at least get decent lock ranges like they had IRL)
- Fix the FM (definetly some wierdness with thrust, it doesnt accelerate quite like it should and almost certainly rips about 6-8G lower than it should)
- Fix BOL (most run it pure chaff, and it being 1/4 the strength it should be sucks)
- DASS has issues
- PIRATE is virtually useless, might as well remove it
- Fix the Cockpit HUD, MFD and HMD (loads of misisng features and symbology)
- Fix the A2G (SAL only Brimstone 1s suck, at least make them 2s and there are multiple missing GBU options)
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Thats fair , I am likely conflating multiple posts.
I havent tried flying low with Typhoon since the changes, I will give it a go. Previously though even with the unaltered flight model playing as a Rat you were vulnerable to the Rafale/Mirage MICAs
I have chaffed and notched 120s from 6km away they are pretty easy to defeat.
Radar fixing will allow the Typhoon to see which would be nice as would some FM buffs.
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Why does the Rafale thread report my messages (which aren’t inappropriate, off-topic, or anything validly reportable and get removed by staff instantly). But when I go to the EFT thread, not only are my messages not falsely spam reported, but they’re engaged in a respectful and just manner?
I was talking about the same thing in both threads. Pointing out the overperformance of their respective jets. For context, this was (sort of) an experiment to see how both groups react to slight pushback of what they think. I found it weird that the thread whose plane is majorly overperforming silenced me with staff support, but the thread whose jet is (still slightly overperforming) missing critical features was more accepting of me.
Nothing is directed at anyone. Just observations of differences between how the 2 threads do things. Let’s be respectful.
Staff removed my post because i called twitter misinformation as “nonsense” (while proving with evidence that i was correct)
You only came to the topic to ask for a nerf, without specifying in what way, what source you had to back it up or anything else.
Rafale is overperforming in some areas, i won’t deny it (post M1.5 acceleration, G overload) but is also missing features (MICA range, RCS, and plenty of AESA shenanigans, such as range or multibeam)
You also asked for EF nerfs while it is underperforming, especially in the radar and acceleration area. It could be buffed to make it on par with Rafale instead, as it should be
Seing as you only play US planes, it gives the very disturbing impression that you are trying to profit from the disagreements between EF and Rafales enjoyers to get them on par with obsolete US fighters instead (F14), which obviously shouldn’t be the case. And you did so without bringing any meaningful argument to the table.
Finally, 2 out of the ~ 15ish posts you made in the Rafale thread were flagged, which is not uncommon for anyone who doesn’t bring anything to a conversation, be it Rafale thread, EF thread (see Mulatu, well tbf, he bringed something to the conversation by accidentally buffing Brimstone, that one was gold ngl), or anywhere else really, except maybe off topic and R&R threads.
Let’s not try to justify this behavior with the “experiment” excuse, shall we ?
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I was being respectful and I was specifically talking about maneuvering for most of it.
And it should get that stuff. Not once did I allude that these planes shouldn’t be realistic. That’s what we should all want.
- I’m pretty sure the EFT is actually performing as it should now at low-alt acceleration ever since the changes to thrust. I could be wrong, though. I (again) did say I wasn’t there to deny they shouldn’t get fixes but rather to point out their overperformance.
2.Lastly, the EFT shouldn’t be buffed to the (current) Rafale’s performance. Rather, in their current states, they should be equalized (not including fixes to integral parts of how the plane functions).
This whole part is just disingenuous. I did not mention anything US-related during this experiment, including the F-14. That’s an entirely different thing that says a lot more about your biases than my “impression”.
And 0 were flagged in the EFT thread, which was my conclusion from my test.
I don’t know what you’re trying to insinuate here. Looking at it at a surface level. Apparently I decided to randomly go into the EFT and Rafale thread at the same time, talking about the same things, with the same respectful manner just because… What? I was not disrespectful or derailing the topics, which would justify it as behaviour. I don’t know what you want to think was happening, but yes, it was intentional. You don’t do a study by mistake.
(By the way, talking about the Rafale or EFT is their respected threads is bringing something valid to the conversation and isn’t a valid reason to spam report anyone)
Well there happens to be spam-reporting randoms in the rafale thread and not in the EFT thread, which kinda makes sense since the Rafale one is more active. Kinda sad, this flagging system really plagues the forum
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This is one of your first post in the Rafale thread :
One problem though, you never played either of those planes, be it EFT, Rafale or Gripen. Not off to a good start…
This is your first post in the EFT thread :
The Rafale post (flagged, but you can still see its content by looking for your nickname in the topic) was pretty much the same type of post. Quite honestly, i wouldn’t have blamed anyone from the EFT thread if they flagged it. It’s not disrespectful in anyway, but it’s just an attempt to get a strong reaction and make them look unreasonable.
When someone goes around with very weird posts or takes, I usually like to check who i’m arguing with and if that person is arguing in good faith. May i remind you your forum posts and your “service records” are public. As for my biases, i have a ton of those. Evryone can see at a quick glance i’m a massive ouiaboo. However, i can recognize when something is unbalanced even if it goes against my interests (AASM hammer IR is one of those, or even Rafale’s insane G pull).
I’m not insinuating anything, i state it very clearly :
EF still has incorrect supercruise speed according to available data.
Both of those planes should probably be placed at their own BR, 14.3 or .7, and yes they probably came in too early, as plenty other planes in the past (F14, F15E, Mig23 MLD and others), that’s pretty much all we can agree on.
Nerfing them for 3 months before Gaijin decides to add the next powercreep isn’t a solution however (unless by BR increase of course).
As for the flag system, yes it’s far from perfect, and yes, some people are abusing it. This however, isn’t one of those cases.
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