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Because it don’t think i have been saying the Rafale is getting preferential treatment
Fast TWS updates give the missile a greater chance of tracking correctly.
Thats one source, Gaijin have ignored reports from Eurofighter GmbH, RAF, Luftwaffe, Aeronautica Militare and Eurojet.
That’s multiple nations all coroborating the same/similar capabilities.
I’m looking forward to when US mains try and prove an F-22 can super cruise at mach 1.8-9
Based on one source and that is Lockheed Martin.
Gaijin are flat out ignoring what Eurofighter GmbH say the airframes capabilities are while trusting Dassault and SNECMA.
I find it humorous when the Magic 2 was purely buffed or adjusted based on what? The manufacturers website…
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The only values for M1.5 are marketing claims:
These are directly contradicted by Swiss trials which states that only M1.4 was possible. The report was rightfully rejected.
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It has by FAR the largest TWS scan volume, at 70x31 deg, with vertical scan area being of higher value than azimuth, since vertical target position is much harder to determine than target azimuth.
We can do some comparisons tho, taking RBE2-AA, V004 (Su-34 PESA radar) and CAPTOR-M.
TWS Narrow:
CAPTOR-M: 20x4.2 deg / Period: 0.6s / Scan rate: 66.67 deg/s / Update rate: When scanned
V004: 30x10 deg / Period 0.92s / Scan rate: 130.43 deg/s / Update rate: 0.01s
RBE2-AA: 30x15.75 deg / Period: 1.7s / Scan rate: 123.53 deg/s / Update rate: 0.01s
TWS Medium:
CAPTOR-M: 60x8.4 deg / Period: 3.7s / Scan rate: 64.86 deg/s / Update rate: When scanned
V004: 60x10 deg / Period 1.85s / Scan rate: 129.73 deg/s/ Update rate: 0.01s
RBE2-AA: 70x15.75 deg / Period: 3.96s / Scan rate: 123.74 deg/s / Update rate: 0.01s
TWS Wide:
CAPTOR-M: 140x4.2 deg / Period: 4.3s / Scan rate: 65.12 deg/s / Update rate: When scanned
V004: 60x20 deg / Period 3.69s / Scan rate: 130.01 deg/s / Update rate: 0.01s
RBE2-AA: 70x31.5 deg / Period: 7.92s / Scan rate: 123.74 deg/s / Update rate: 0.01s
So;
- V004 is the fastest scanning with an average scan rate of 130.06 deg/s (5% faster than RBE2-AA, 98.4% faster than CAPTOR-M)
- RBE2-AA has the highest scan volumes (57.5/83.75/83.75% larger than V004, 462.5/118.75/275% larger than CAPTOR-M)
- RBE2-AA and V004 update tracks so much faster than all mech scan radars in-game its pointless to even bother putting into numbers.
V004 might search marginally faster than the RBE2-AA (a 5% increase in time to first find a target is basically nothing), but the RBE2-AA scans a MUCH larger area of sky than any other airborne radar in-game on top tier jets.
As for the comment about range. Range is irrelevant. Map sizes are at most 126x126km in-game, airfields are usually within ~100km of each other, and engagements almost never occur beyond 50km, and that’s pushing it. The RBE2-AA has more than enough lock range for all engagements in-game.
To add to this, your comment comparing the RBE2-AA’s time to find a target compared to the CAPTOR-M is an absolute joke. The CAPTOR-M’s only useable TWS mode for searching is its medium pattern (60x8.4 deg, 3.7s period), this is roughly equivalent in search area to the RBE2-AA’s narrow search but trades elevation coverage (the most important part) for azimuth coverage, and takes about 2x as long to search the area. The narrow scan is utter trash for anything but a TWS track, and even then its basically no longer a TWS lock, its more of an STT but less solid in exchange for not triggering a lock warning. The wide scan is also effectively worthless, since it scans so slowly and is only scanning a narrow band of sky which is almost entirely pointless. EFT pilots constantly have to micromanage radar altitude to try to find targets, and often times have to abort BVR engagement because they did not find the target on time, an issue the RBE2-AA would just about never have. Trying to compare them is a bad joke and just shows how little you understand of how good the RBE2-AA is in-game as a radar.
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The Swiss didn’t buy the Eurofighter. Why would you trust the Swiss findings over the experiences with the 3 other nations who developed the airframe and operate it?
Instead Swiss have chosen the F-35, as you know arms procurement is as much a political decision as it is a military one.
Did the Swiss release any test data for the F-35?
This is similar to the controversy with the Swedish trials being taken as accurate.
If India were to say the Rafale can only supercruise at mach 1.2 would that supersede what Dassault and SNECMA have claimed?
Also the same report states the 1.4 Mach super cruise is an advantage of the Eurofighter, which implies the Rafale can’t do 1.4 mach supercruise. And doesn’t provide configuration information.
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The trials report in question is their earlier gripen purchase that didn’t go through
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Well this is the issue we have, either we treat manufacturers tests as fact or we don’t. One thing we cant do is trust some manufacturers while questioning others.
Rafale is an incredible aircraft. I take umbrage with Dassault and SNECMA providing data that confirms it’s capabilities while Gaijin discount what Eurofigher GmbH and operators of the airframe claim the aircraft can do.
You cannot have it both ways.
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I have to go look for it, but wasn’t there a test flight where a rb199 equipped eurofighter maintained mach 1.1 on dry thrust after accelerating past the sound barrier and to a higher speed on reheat?
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Bit of a difference here, as far as I can tell, there are no actual publicly available sources that the RBE2-AA is underperforming in anything but scan area. We can obviously guess that it is underperforming, but in what exact manner we dont know, and many of the features that are superior on AESA radars are not even implemented in-game atm. On that note, already being the best radar in-game by a considerable margin is easily good enough for the time being.
Get out of here with your low effort trolling.
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Isn’t the RB199 a Tornado engine?
yes
yes, they were used for testing before the ej200 was avilable on da1 and da2 iirc
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Jup, it was a test aircraft. Pilots were quite surprised about this happening. Now if only I could find where I read it.
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That makes sense what an upgrade the EJ200 is
This is just cope. The actual document discusses the “strong points” and the “weak points” with no relation to the performance of the Rafale in that paragraph excluding the ranking.
And neither do any of the sources stating M1.5 …
If this were the case then both cases should be examined and compared. But this is not case.
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Then dont bother commenting?
Apparently the RB199 equipped Typhoon wasnt half bad. I was actually expecting it instead of the T2s we actually got.
Though what I find really funny was the plan to stick EJ200s into the F3
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