how many you carry? 6
not 18
i won’t allow MMW-ARH if you can mount 18 of them.
i would agree on 6 FnF MMW-ARH mode + 12 SAL Brimstone
but clearly no more than that, even more considering the only defensive system in game is APS →
8 vehicules can defend, all the others only have to suffer.
Gbu-39 : Gliding bombs, requires to get in range with speed (and use GPS guidance, which is not all the time accurate (playing with AASM Gps only, i got few misses)
Brimstone are AGM with far greater capabilties from low speed
Aim-9Ls could even be used as ASMs in the right conditions
i think there are stories of the syrians using the r-60 against trucks as well
Again, you a fixating on Quantity being a justifiable reason to not add them
Just make it so that 6x FnF Brimstone 2s cost the same as 6x KH-38MTs and then if you take any mor ethan 6x Brimstone 2s, the cost increases exponentially.
Sorted.
I still dont really see what the issue is.
If you are justifying not adding FnF Brimstones (which quite frankly, limited to Brimstones 1s that have far less range the GBU-39s) because of killing AI vehicles in ARB… then why isnt this an issue for GBU-39s. Heck, by this logic, No GBU-53s either, would be unfair for F-15Es with 28x FnF AGMs ending matches too quickly… which is ltiereally impossible already.
are radar guided,…
GPS/GNSS only can’t be reprogrammed → move away, and you’re safe.
IR can follow IR signature - which can be decoyed by smokes
Laser follow Laser beam signature - which can be decoyed by smokes
MMW ARH - currently can’t be decoyed! only got shot by APS (8 vehicules)
IOG is only inertial system for the weapon to use lofting or different flight of path than going straight to the target.
hum:
7, T-55AMD is not toptier. Also what about missile loft?
possiby gives more range
Gives more range and can hit on angles where APS is uselees.
But will go staright through smoke, with a large enough warhead, such as on the KH-38 or FABs, you may not be able to move far enough quickly enough. Especially if you dont see them coming.
Yes it can, stuff like AGM-65 will self destruct, if it has IOG like the AASM or KH-38 though, it will fly straight through and iirc, relock the target if it can see it again for any reason.
You loose the ability to track the target, but you can still aim a laser at the same spot. Ive killed tanks with PW4s loads of times through smoke. Let alone larger bombs like MK13s or EGBU-24s.
Because Gaijin hasnt added smoke yet that can decoy MMW.
IOG is good enough on something like the KH-38MT to score a direct hit after the target has smoked. this is why you always have to stop moving, smoke and start moving again.
then it’s even more OP saying it like this - but yeah, i guess we should check on every angles of APS before even saying that those 7 vehicules are safe from MMW ARH seekers
because those doesn’t yet exist in every nations of the game,…
or maybe i’m wrong, but then MAKE the LIST of actual stuff existing that would give tanks a chance.
but remember then that Brimstones are given ECCM capabilities - so even those CM’s might not be enough (as you demonstrated for any other weapon yet)
Currently though, MMW-ARH have nothing stop tracking, or at least reduce the capability to make a direct hit.
KH-38ML is only Laser/GNSS/IOG - with smoke, no laser, so move away fast and you’re safe. (you could be already on the move, dropping smokes, then braking and turn away into the smoke, you’ll be safe) // thing that MMW-ARH won’t even be bothered by.
the “T” in “MT” stands for thermal, it is the IR guided one
the ML is the laser guided one
yes my bad, i was talking of ML
but it works quite the same with MT anyway
Again… Typhoon not having FnF is fine because its only the Typhoon?
This is about giving the Typhoon something on par with the AASM or KH-38MT or heck, even the AGM-65 already in game.
If those are modeled. Primary docs for Aim-9Ls show they shouldnt be defeated by flares if the target is on reheat. They are 1 flare defeat 99% of the time. Aim-9Ms should have multiple forms of IRCCM, but currently have only one that barely works half the time.
AJ168 have totally made up seekers at the moment
So I dont really see why 100% faithful seeker modeling for the Brimstone is suddenly paramount when literally no other missile in game follows the same rules.
Assuming they were modeled 100% faithfully, which again… is rarely the case.
KH-38MT also has IOG…
and again… assuming 100% faithful modeling. which if that is suddenly paramount, then I want the DL on the PW4s that was denied. I want the MITL on the AJ168 that was denied. I want the push ahead on the Aim-9M that currently isnt modeled. etc etc etc
you can already change their target mid flight, by turning you laser on
we might see MITL when we get LOAL as well
If in range of the laser. which 4.5km?
Should be at any point in their flight.
even 20km away.
Because MMW ARH are seen by Gaijin as unfair weapon, due to guidance,…
prove guidance can be disturbed, and they will add it!
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What it lack is COUNTERPLAY
If you can’t find COUNTERPLAY, there will be NO SEEKER
So final offer, with a single precision: if you want MMW ARH so bad
We’re not asking to save SAM Systems, they don’t have anything yet in-game apart shooting missiles
(could maybe go Radar Jam signal as a defence)
That’s all
being sassy won’t help,… just start searching historical Counterplay already
Well… There was no counter play for the KH-38MT until either last mjaor or this major…
So?
They made that statement, i nthe same update they added the Su-34… So I consider it total hypocricy.
As for the TK claim… Its total nonsense.
Counter play:
You know… Like any other AGM already in game?
Now tell me, how does one use a 15km SAL weapon vs IRIS-T SLM or SAMP/T or Sky Sabre or Buk M3?