Those weren’t public matches, those were 1v1 duels against a dude that’s really, really good himself.
It was also quite comical to see the “dogfight” between EFT and 27SM, like taking a candy from a baby.
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Its also a guns only fight. The Rafale dominates in the short to medium range Magic 2 and MICA are superior.
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Yup. IF top tier was guns only, That “test” might be relevant. But between the Buggy Vixen and the fairly mediocre performance of the Aim-9M usually. Its totally irrelevant
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I was talking about Brimstones particularly, not a plane as a whole.
Your real enemy is CAP, not AA.
It’s obvious EFT shits on everything else, which can’t be said for others. In GRB you won’t have 20+ planes buzzing around and slinging dozens of missiles at everyone.
They tried that combo as well and seems like it didn’t change anything when it comes to dogfighting.
GR4 is at a lower BR than SM3 while being pretty on par. I think that speaks enough.
People hated on SM3 but failed to realize it was a free kill if they hopped in a plane as well.
Check the comments please, they said missiles wouldn’t change a thing in the duel.
Most people at top tier won’t waste time getting into a dogfight because thats way too easy to just get caught by a missile from a 3rd party. Though it hardly matters when you play a vehicle that cant outrun the eft/rafale/F15 because you are just worse in every other regard.
Then Brimstone 2s. Typhoon NEVER used Brimstone 1s. If we are to be limited to SAL only. At least give us an AGM that equals the performance of all other nations and use SAL as a means of quantity mitigation. Both guidance method and performance nerfs sucks. Especially when combined with the poor performance of teh Typhoons radar which is also missing A2G modes to help in the use of the SAL Brimstones.
And again… A rafale able to stick at 20km and fire off AASM, and then isntatly find and engage a target with its AESA+MICA combo is WAY stronger than the Typhoons inability to find a 747 on the radar at the moment. Also the Typhoon has to loiter over hte battlefield for ages.Leaving it way more exposed to any CAP or even SPAA
It is weaker in BVR than the Rafale and F-15E. It has weaker short range missiles than the Rafale. It has one of the worst radars in game. The only thing going for it is the FM and Id still rather be in the Rafale than the Typhoon at the moment.
Right so 15x Brimstones on a supersonic platform is weaker than 4x KH-38s on a sub-sonic platform.
On this end I must add that SBU-64’s INS+GNSS have no function at the moment, only the IIR Seeker is working. Effectively you wont get proper locks outside of 8-10km, depending on Map and density - unless you try your luck with terrain lock, which works at full 20km.
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/ntVms3xAqKO7
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He LITERALLY mentions in the video that he’s not showing any of the Typhoon deaths, which means its not actually properly representative footage.
Rafale also keeps up just fine, and is actually much better due to having vastly superior missiles for the dogfight.
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Fair, but Id still rather take that at times over the Brimstone 1. Especially in gamemodes where A2G performance is somewhat irrelevant. Like ASB. In GSB. I find myself mostly using PW4s (which are also annoyingly nerfed and wont be modeled correctly)
Also, its likely that the AASMs will actually be fixed sooner rather than later and is a bug. Meanwhile the Typhoon may not get SAL Brimstone 2s anytime soon let alone MMW Brimstone 1s or 2s.
Yeah, giving them more speed than they have now would be a reasonable buff.
We’re speaking about EFT, the best dogfighter in the game, not some brick like Su-34 or SM3 that ceases to exist as soon as anything remotely decent shows up in a CAP role.
No one is using MICAs in BVR for a good reason.
Both should share the same BR in Ground.
If we consider +20km as BVR, well I do and quite successful :P
Must add that I almost exclusively play ASB for top tier
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It might be the best gunfighter. But not the best CAP.
Its radar has MAJOR issues at the moment and is on par with the SU-27 in terms of radar performance currently. I’ve had the radar not see something it was starring directly at. When compared to the radar on the Su-34 and especially the Rafale. Its woeful. It is not uncommon to have a Rafale lock and fire at you and your radar to never actually see the target to respond in kind.
Magic II and R-73 also totally outclass the Aim-9M in an actual dogfight. Aim-9M has its uses, but a dogfight is not one of them>
Su-34, Rafale and F-15E are overall more reliable CAP at the moment unless the Typhoon has visual with the target and even then. Its Aim-120s might not be of any use if its radar wont lock.
In gamemodes like GSB or ASB. Its practically blind.
They are shorter ranged than the Aim-120. But given the Typhoon is unlikely to actually find a Rafale at any meaningful range at the moment, its largely irrevelant.
Given GRB maps are usually all well within the optimal max range of teh MICA anyway. the extra range on the Aim-120 is irrelevant and thus the Rafale has the much better “BVR” combo within that environment.
Even then. Still shows just how underpowered the Brimstones are if a Sub-sonic attacker with 4x KH-38s is on par with the supersonic attacker with 15x Brimstone 1s.
Given it too could get Brismtone 2s as well. Both the Gr4 and Typhoon need the upgrade.
(Thats if the Brimstone are even considered for that placement and its solely the IR PGMs + CM Count being the reason the GR4 is even that high)
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Does anyone know if it’s possible to unslave the LJDAMs from the laser so that the bombs guide themselves to points on the map (e.g. like the F-15E)?
I’ll literally quote what he said in the video.
This was almost equal (clip vs Netz) but that was down to my mistakes, not the strength of the plane. Overall I’m trying not to show you too many of these that’s why I’m cutting the deaths that I got for the most part and I’m not putting every kill. I’m trying to represent the plane as fair as possible, so the clips that aren’t good in this regard are not gonna be put in the video.
(talking about Rafale clips) …he cooked me three times in a row because I was making some mistakes. After we ironed out those mistakes and we knew exactly what to do, EFT basically won without much of a contest and we just kind of ended up dying to trying stuff that very clearly wasn’t going to work but I wanted to see with the amount of stupidness I could get away with…
Missiles don’t help against EFT in a dogfight.
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Just toggle off the laser. The bomb will guide to its last known laser spot or where you aimed in the Tpod.
But no, you cant GPS guide some but laser guide others, unless the bomb is out of range of the laser
If statsharks missile simulator is to be believed, the MICA is nowhere near as bad in BVR as french players like to pretend. (Grain of salt that tho, I’m not sure how accurate statsharks model is)
In all shot conditions, the MICA has a similar TTI to the AIM-120, the best long range fox 3 at top tier. There is a definite energy advantage to the AIM-120 in those extreme range shots, particularly vs maneuvering target Id assume (something this simulator cant model afaik), but in return, the MICA is significantly better in WVR combat. I think the whole “the MICA is worthless in BVR” thing is pretty overplayed at this point…
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and i persoanlly never waste AMRAAM on those extreme range shots because anyone with half a brain will easily defend.
So just for clarification, i cant use the targetting pod to pick a spot on the ground for the bomb to guide to and then choose a different spot for the next bomb before the other bomb impacts its intended target?
Anything that isn’t a Fakour 90 or AIM-54 generally won’t hit anything past 40km range anyway.
At 10k meters