Man if they remove KH38MT’s you will loose your only argument to complain about Russians dont you?
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Then it dies. EFT will also die if there’s already a jet waiting for it, basically any jet will die under these conditions. SPAAs aren’t really a concern for either, especially if the Su-34 needs to only contend with NATO ones in case the match isn’t mixed.
I’m also interested in why you think I’m making up scenarios here when I’m talking about my own experience of using the EFT in GRB and how I’ve been swarmed by both jets and SPAAs (mainly Pantsirs) because of how much time I have to spend and set up my attacks, in comparison to how little time a Su-34 would need to pull off the same, or the Rafale for that matter.
So you’re just basically asking to able to nuke 18 Ground units while not exposing yourself to any threat and carrying 6 A2A munitions at the same time while having best flight performance,best situational awareness and survivability? Because if they added historical Brimstones thats what you will be able to do that.
Oh. My. God.
Or maybe I want a vehicle I play to have its real CAS capabilites whilst still striking a middle-ground where it can’t just nuke 18 players out of the game but also won’t require of you to be at least 5 times more skilled than a Su-34 or Rafale or F-16C player.
My entire point this whole time has been that the amount of Brimstones should be reduced to just six if they’re made F&F!!! I never thought I’d have to say this again.
EFT has significantly higher chances to survive against enemy jets unlike Su-34, we both know that.
I also swarmed by enemy spaas or jets but it never caused a huge issue for me, most of the time i easily demolished enemy jets and focused on Pantsirs after that.
EFT can basically do anything unlike some other jets.
It will not be reduced to 6 and it will not receive ahistorical mode, you need to accept this fact.
It was a sole god damn reason i spend time flying in GRB more than i spend on ground you’re right I finally lost my mind.
Sure then lets remove the only redeeming factor about Su34 or limit to the KH38MT’s to 2 only.
Will you stop complaining about it?
Maybe but you and i both knew
It won’t happen
Just like Brimstones will not recieve their historical performance until the right time comes.
Ranges in GRB are mere 20km’s or so, if they’ve ARHs then no, you’re dead - bonus point if it’s a MICA-EM because then you’re extra dead due to their close-range KP being higher than of both the AMRAAM and R-77.
EFT can basically do anything unlike some other jets.
These “some other jets” are either Su-34 or sub-sonic buses. F-16s, the Rafale and Gripens all can do the same things the EFT can and ‘survive’, this doesn’t make the EFT special in any way, but sure, lets keep the straws coming.
Bah, on top of that, I’ve only been in these situations exactly because of EFTs A2G limitations. If a jet with F&F finds himself in the situations I have, then they’ve ducked it up themselves, not because of the way it has to play.
Still, this talk is pointless, GRB is too fluid to claim something will happen for sure, the only objective truth here is how the EFT has to put itself in more danger and how its kill potential is still realistically worse than of a Su-34 or Rafale or an F-16C against ground targets.
It will not be reduced to 6 and it will not receive ahistorical mode, you need to accept this fact.
Sure, then make it mMW and reduce the amount to 6.
with GBU-53 id guess, on a post EPAWSS strike eagle
can carry 28 GBU-53, F-15EX can carry 36
This btw is very ironic because PARS 3LR used to be SAL (an operating mode it has never had) before it was given its F&F capabilites, so Gaijin for sure can make Brimstone IR F&F as there’s a precedent for making a weapon ahistorical, they just don’t wanna.
edit: brb, tea.
You’re not, if you know how to effectively notch and dodge ARH missiles most of the time you will be fine.
MICA trades ranges with flight performance, if you think its bad wait for until it recieve its true performance.
EFT has better situational awareness due to having better RWR and MAW system and compare to those jets it carries more countermeasures which effectively increases its survivability, you dont know what you’re talking about.
And how long do you think you can run away from other jet? you might be able to dump your ordinance but in the end you will get caught, i caught countless jets that has f&f munitions and easily killed them.
That doesnt change the fact that EFT can make more impact on ideal conditions, and lets not forget it requires significantly less SP to spawn compare to those jets.
It will not recieve mMW and will not be reduced to 6 anytime soon, these are not my words they are just coming straight from developers and we both know how broken Brimstones will be with mMW feature, even if its reduced to 6.
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The Eurofighter DA2 was tested only up to a maximum of around 26 degrees and theorized a maximum of 30, 35 would enter the realm of total flow separation. The vortex generator and canard do not assist the outer portion of the wing - the wing tips stall completely in such conditions.
Flow separation begins to occur (but isn’t a problem) at just 6 degrees.
To overcome the instabilities at such angles of attack and to complete a Cobra, the rapid pitch-up is done to overcome these instabilities and prevent yaw departures or rolling moments in the maneuver. It is referred to as “Rapid attainment”. The Eurofighter likewise could potentially “Cobra” but the sustained hovering at 50+ degrees AoA is totally absurd and defies the laws of physics. There should be no roll control from the wings at this AoA, the pitch-up moment created by the canards and trailing edge flaps shouldn’t be functional in the way it is at that angle of attack.
As you can see here;
The Eurofighter’s wing breaks down the vortices at around ~25 degrees. This is when flow separation becomes critical and loss of control can happen if such angles of attack are sustained.
However, the AMK kit specifically helps to prevent vortex breakdown and allows AoA beyond ~25-26 degrees up to maybe 30 sustained.
I don’t need it to be mmw like irl and i know Brimstone don’t have ir irl but it stop gaijin from doing so?
Russians enjoy bombing people in grb outrage every SPAA in the game effortlessly get multi kill? While other can’t get better stuff than them otherwise it unbalance?
Like i said I don’t care excuse that SU-34 has KH-38 because how weak bla bla bla when that damn KH-38 was the sole reason force me to spawn jet fast as possible in grb every match for long and let me tell you playing GRB like that are not fun
Well yeah i guess Russian handheld continue because noone allow to make their life harder
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What?
I literally said that it’s better at the range we fight in GRB.
EFT has better situational awareness due to having better RWR and MAW system and compare to those jets it carries more countermeasures which effectively increases its survivability, you dont know what you’re talking about.
F-16C and Rafale have the exact same RWR stat wise, Su-34s can detect the most bands and thus has the best situational awareness out of all the jets mentioned:
EFT has “threat types” which admittadely I dunno what that does.
Range of each is irrelevant in GRB as the maps are too small for the difference between 70 and 100km to matter.
Rafale has MAW, and IR MAW sucks, yes, I’d like my MAW to start wasting my flares and chaff whenever it detects an IR signature! If I dunno what I am talking about, what does that make you?
The only threat that F-16s and Rafale’s RWR cannot pick up on in Pantsir’s tracking radar as its covered by the K-band.
And how long do you think you can run away from other jet? you might be able to dump your ordinance but in the end you will get caught, i caught countless jets that has f&f munitions and easily killed them.
Why would you need to run away from another jet if you’ve already used up all of your F&F ordnance and returned to the AF to re-arm? At that point its all about situational awareness. See, you tell me I have no idea what I am talking about, and then you start grasping at every single straw to argue that somehow an F&F jet needs to put itself at as much risk as an EFT has in order to optimally fulfill its duty of locking 6 different targets, firing off its F&F IR missiles, and dipping after making 6 people alt f4 roughly 30 seconds after it spawned.
At this point I am convinced you’re here just to argue that EFT is a plane governed by magic, where somehow the downsides of its A2G weapon systems don’t matter and I no longer see a point in continuing this discussion any further because no matter what I say, you will come up with a deflection or a straw that you can pull on rather than actually admitting that EFT is straight up worse in A2G regardless of how much ordnance and parasitic drag it puts on itself. I suggested hypothetical middle grounds in order to satisfy both sides, and how there is a precedent for making weapons ahistorical in order to make them perform at the same level as others (PARS 3LR being a prime example), whether you like what I suggest or not is up to you.
I’m out. Bye.
25 degrees is not the upper FCS limit tho. we know that for sure, i agree to an extent it’s probably not much higher, but it is for sure >25
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The FCS is designed for carefree handling, it should not allow you to enter regions of flight where departure can occur. The F-16 has the same issue and thus the limit without AMK is going to be around 25-26 degrees. Vortex breakdowns cause bi-lateral disturbances that leave the aircraft with asymmetrical yawing moments it cannot counter.
The EF flight performance does not define its efficiency in GRB. Thats what Panther doesn’t understand. Its just the kind of ordnance. As long a the FM is semi-decent, its already sufficient in GRB, as long as you have something like the Kh-38. All you need is a good target pod and good F&F ordnance. You spawn, you shoot, you wait for the kill feed flytext to pop up. While waiting for the result you’re already on your way to land and to rearm. You have zero exposure to any air threat.
Its just not fair. Also Rafale, its plain op compared with EF and its forced target lasing. You probably need longer than most games last to achieve the same ground kills as Suchois or Rafales score just after spawning in. While under permanent threat of SAMs and spawning in enemy jets.
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Like having a requirement that the race car can go 10s in the quarter mile, but in this case the Eurofighter is faster than that minimum requirement and it has more room in the back for groceries as well. Hope that analogy catches on for any car folk. Maybe it won’t because that’s an American thing.
You can also do a mind experiment. If you bolt target pods and KH’s on WW2 Pe-8’s it would still be op. Cause all you do is to spawn in, you’re in range anyways, lock, shot. It even could be done when this equipment would be theoretically bolted onto a WW1 biplane. Cause you simply don’t need any flight performance to pull off the typical Suchoi spawn-in GRB massacre.
While vice versa even a hyper-modern gen5 strike fighter would be bad in GRB, if you just grant it laser guided ammunitions. Alone the huge time malus to lock, to shot, waiiiiiiiit until you’re able to lock and shot at another target … it doesn’t fit to such a super fast paced gamemode like GRB. The typical short match duration requires quickly to deploy weapon systems.
Also mind the Rafale. Its as powerful as the EF. Why does it gets that ground ordnance and EF doesn’t? Not really logical.