Why do you always talking about Russia when other nations also does have F&F munitions?
It seems you’re obsessed with Russia.
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And what will happen once Gaijin adds more advanced SPAA systems to other nations? Cause at that point you guys will loose your only complain about KH38 and not to mention other nations also does have F&F munitions that can be safely fired from ranges.
SU34 is not special in that case, you guys need to accept the fact that SU34 isnt the main problem, ıts the Pantsir.
If Russia didnt have Pantsir (which you can still easily counter) this discussion wouldnt take a part in the first place.
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Oh, you just know it now?
I thought you know it long ago
Thanks to them i never enjoy tanks again because of god damn KH-38
At first i thought you were joking but it seems you were not.
Let me tell you this obsession will cause your mental health at some day.
Thats not true and we both know that, other nations also have F&F munitions and i still enjoy tanks despite getting killed by them.
Maybe it already is when Average match GRB for me it looks like this
yeah, but other nation doesn’t get handheld by their SPAA with TWS and 18KM missile that able to intercept incoming AGM, right? (And Pantsir came out shortly after Harrier GR7 too lol)
other need jet to do the job while they don’t and SPAA is cheaper than jet, yet they do the job just fine they don’t need to shoot down jet they can just shooting incoming AGM is enough
yeah, and i’m pretty sure Russia still doing fine even Brimstone get LOAL if not it well deserves.
First of all other nations Spaa’s can also intercept incoming missiles.
My KH38’s has been intercepted multiple times by enemy spaa’s.
Enemy jet can always go back to rearm and do the same thing until enemy spaa either runs out of ammunition or gets killed by multiple fired ordinance, sure Pantsir is much better than any other Spaa but it can be also get killed by same principle.
Problem isnt just Russia, its the other nations as well, Imagine you’re spawning in EFT and immediately firing 18 Brimstone’s that has mMW and LOAL feature, enemy team will just get annihilated instantly, if Russia is on your side it will be even more broken due to SU34’s and Pantsir.
So we agree that Su34 isnt the problem but Pantsir is, eventually other nations will also recieve Spaa’s that has similiar performance, you can also counter Pantsir easily with any top tier jet if you know what you’re doing.
The Typhoon’s current AoA limit is slightly more than twenty four degrees, approximately the same as an F-16. The new changes are expected to increase the limit to at least 34 degrees which will give pilots in combat a many more possibilities for nose-pointing*.*
Unlike Pantsir it very hard to do multiple direction because they don’t even have TWS
Allied vs RU/CN team setting in GRB will solve this problem instantly so there will be no Brimstone Slinger on RU team
Until then game pretty much force me to play Air RB 2.0
I will say though, as a ITO-90 main (2nd best SPAA imo), the KH38 give a more “fragile” lock. You lock them, 5 to 8km out, and the lock will just drift and fade away for no reason. By the time you reaquire, they are 1-2km out and it’s already too late. It happens quite randomly : sometimes it does, sometime it doesn’t.
That’s something i never experienced with Brimstones, AS30’s or Mavericks
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How do we know this?
Every source I have seen has shown the opposite.
No
Even Pantsir cannot engage multiple munitions from multiple directions effectively.
Yeah but thats not a feature isnt it? Also what would China do in that case? You’re only looking for a way to demolish Russia instead of thinking about overall game health, now i know KH38’s are quite the problem but if what you’re saying become true it will be even more broken than it already is.
That does for any other nation that doesnt have Pantsir buddy, its not something special to UK.
I’ve never intercepted KH38’s with my Spaa’s so i dont know how it works but judging my experience with SU34 so far many Spaa’s manage to intercept my missiles from 4-12km’s without too much issue.
Real problem starts when it fire more than 2 KH38’s, due to their speed enemy Spaa usually cannot intercept multiple missiles at once but once an enemy ITO actually managed to intercept my 3 KH38’s in row, guess he was either lucky or was a very good Spaa player.
Eventually he died tho.
So between myself and MiG_23M…we have given multiple sources that shows the flight model of the Eurofighter is not accurate.
You have given 0 sources. No information at all.
Mig23 has provided lies and deception and Flame and Fireball have the performance requirements it met
You guys are suggit has AoA soclow that it would be able to do the minimum ISR with
All i have seen from you is misleading quotes for the AMK kit and who the F/A-18 has really good AoA
Nothing shown by you has any real merit
We shall also ignore the fact that in warthunder G limts and in turn AoA limits are not modeled in game
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3 is doable, if your radar cooperate
My point was : just because you saw it and because it’s possible doesn’t mean it’s a reliable way of dealing with the problem
Meanwhile, i laugh quite hard whenever i see a f-16, because i know from the get go that none of his mavericks will ever get close to me (especially since the ammo box thingy)
Imo giving EF f&f brimstones wouldn’t be too broken, but they would have to limit the amount carried (i’d say 6 at first, and maybe 12 depending on how it fares)
An other thing i’ll add : protecting your allies from a KH38 is almost impossible, due to the much higher angular velocity (not a problem when it is fired directly at you obviously), while it’s pretty easy against anything else (Mavs, Brims)
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Flame has provided his source and it mentions nothing of AoA limits. In fact I have shown how some of the metrics in his source actually stack up against the plane we have in the game.
I have linked reputable sources comparing Rafale to Eurofighter.
You have posted nothing of value. As per usual your position is basically anything in the UK tech tree needs to be as busted as possible due to your persecution complex and inability to play the game well.
I found the only way to do so is to just air spawn camping them with jet kill them right after spawn otherwise two or three teammate gonna die
And when it become the only way to effectively protecting teammate against KH-38 you know how cancerous this thing is
I think this is just an indicator of how silly the air spawn for CAS in ground RB is once you get to higher tiers.
It’s almost as silly as allowing everyone to spawn attack helicopters and fully equipped airplanes for their first spawn in Ground SB.
So why is the solution to a bad gameplay mechanic to double and triple down on it and make sure that the best fighter in the game is also twice as good as CAS as the next best dedicated CAS thing?
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As per usual?
You are posting pilot talking isn’t really valid and you haven’t disprove much of what fireball has said or what i said about its ISR
Strange that you mention keeping the UK as busted as possible as it seems you are the one who has a issue with the Eurofighter with more biased view
You can misrepresented the AMK all you want and ignore my.points but nothing has really been proven on the AoA other the what you are suggesting doesn’t make sense due to it not being able to do the ISR that it should have.
Also bear in mind for the second time now that at the end of the day almost all the modern Fly by wire aircraft in game will overperform in AoA due to the removal of G limits in game
Also ban evading much
I see no further discussion with the guy who tries to use DCS footage to buff the Su-27 is going to help anyone
(The guys on the Russian forums manged to find something out about the flanker to get it buffed anyway which is great on them)
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My man you’re still ignoring the fact US has 6x AGM-65Ds at 10.7 in GRB and that’s the only IR-missile slinger at that BR to my knowledge.
I guess that’s fine by you as long as it isn’t Russia.