Playing at top tier BR, against multiple fox3s, without chaffs, is not playing.
We are almost in 2026, and chaffs are still not there when stock.
I mean, absolutely nobody can find a good reason of keeping it like this.
So, where are chaffs?
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Wdym more grind ofc!
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I say the grind for chaff is acceptable.
For one, chaff does not do much in top tier. Maybe make it easier to notch, but still not a big deal.
Out of any stock grind, I would say, lacking chaff is one of the least worrying things.
Compare it to Mirage series stock grind (F1C and 2000), where you’re forced to work with magic 1 or m1+530f (worst radar missile 12.0+ and barely usable)
bro what…
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In my opinion, every plane should be forced to bring a 50/50 flares/chaff split stock, and the modification would allow you to customise the amount you bring.
This means that you get stock chaff, but the modification isn’t useless as on most planes, you will benefit from not running 50/50
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Do chaffs really works? I usually dont even grind it bc i do multipath.
Yes, chaff does work. Multipathing becomes less reliable the higher the angle is of the enemy missiles. A top down missile will multipath. But because it’s above it’s gonna hit you either way. And there’s also the fact that missiles have explosives in them. So when they detonate they can still damage you (more obvious against Phoenixes and the Fakour).
That’s just… Completely wrong… they basically are a necessity to notch.
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Only at high altitude.
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Wdym only at high altitude? How do you notch at low altitude?
Correct me if I’m wrong, but notching is flying perpendicular to PD radar so it can’t PD you, correct?
If that’s so, notching correctly requires either ground clutter (flying low) or chaff.
Yes. (Edit) I still don’t get why you say notching only at high altitude?
I’m saying chaff is only a necessity at high altitude.
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You need chaff both at high and low altitude. I don’t get why you only need then at high altitude?
Guys, multipathing is not reliable. I am extremely surprised so many still rely on it at top tier.
First, there are maps where you can’t constantly stay 10m over the ground (mountains, etc). Second, except if you are lucky, multipathing won’t protect you from missiles arriving at you with a high dive angle. I kill so many multipathing people like this.
There are 2 other ways to dodge radar missiles which are way more useful :
Energy dodging and notching.
No need to explain the energy tactic, it’s simply out running the missile by turning away from it.
For notching, you need BOTH 90° angle relative to the radar source, and chaffs. Except some small technical differences that I don’t remember, it’s how it must be done, whether you are low, or high, with the missile coming from lower, or higher.
So, yes, chaffs ARE useful.
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i stock grinded A LOT of toptier jets and i usually skip chaff mod unless it gatekeeps MAWs or BOL, chaff is nice to have but not a necessity, just do a bit of tree hugging and turn slightly so you have like a 20-40° angle to the missile, the only time you really need chaff is when you are at a higher altitude and slow after an engagement w someone and you get third partied.
the issue with that is in the current ARB setting is you wont get anything done, especially when you’re stock, i find the issue of a 4 missile loadout way more prelavent than being limited to flares only, also as above multipath + an ever so slight notch, so you dont waste much time defending and still are relatively safe.
this really is a non-issue, there’s always at least one path on the map which lets you multipath without fail, moscow can sometimes really get you with a random river bed, but again if you keep an eye out for it it’s not a problem, if a missile is close smth comes up just notch hard and stay low.
No it doesn’t, it works about 20% of the time and is less consistent than multipathing, chaffing does not increase your chances of dodging a missile
Completely wrong. That suggests you don’t know how to notch.
Yes I multipath too. Never said I don’t. But depending on the situation chaff is very useful if not the only option.
Yes. There’s also anglegating so it’s more than just a 90° angle and chaffing. The thing with the missile’s altitude: a missile coming from above will not turn off it’s PD filter so it will keep moving towards you and won’t follow chaff so easily. A missile coming from below will turn off it’s PD filter and will be fooled by chaff.
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For sure it’s not 20%… it’s almost 100%, but only if you reach and keep the good notching angle, which is not easy. But just a matter of practice.
At the end I think we just have different gameplay styles, and it’s ok.
It seems you rely a lot on multipathing. In my case, I constantly fly at medium altitude, so I mostly dodge missiles with notching and chaffs.
One of the other reason I don’t like multipathing is because flying so low almost all the time requires a lot of attention and doesn’t make you able to look around easily to keep a good situation awarness.