Difficult to encourage. Gaijin already solved a bit of it with more rewards and less repair costs which was part of the reason of ODL, not the only one. However, there are still youtubers making content for specific videos to showcase 1 tank/1plane. Others just for daily tasks, others because of 1 premium vehicle they bought and that’s all they have, others who trying to spade 1 tanks first before proceeding to the next ones. Then theirs the rage quitters, or people who disconnect or those with their own agendas to test certain vehicles or play just for fun. Can’t control how people will play the game so its something we just have to deal with. If you punish the player with unhealthy gameplay, will have to punish everyone.
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It’s very rare that I don’t regret spawning more than once in top tier at least.
Right now, I mostly play 1 MTB spawn > 1 or 2 SPAA spawns depending on amount of planes for the sake of my sanity and move on to next game.
Different thing in lower BR’s though where spawning second time won’t get you GBU12’s on top of you.
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Its true that in top ranks, the snowball tends to roll much quicker, so its hard to come back. But then again, it could be because more people leave early.
Regarding CAS, the difference between middle ranks and high ranks is that in high ranks, the machine guns on top of tanks is much less effective vs aircraft, so SPAAs are the only option and not many people have them.
You have the issue with availability a consequently skill issue.
High rank vehicles are notoriously expensive or take a long time to grind out, so less people tend to get them and if they do, they tend to have just one or two vehicles in a lineup.
This in turn means, they spend less time playing in battle and thus not getting enough experience there, so they are likely to get taken out quickly and fast paced gameplay at high ranks doesn’t help.
As mentioned here, the concept of unlocking lineups in mobile version could work here as well. It could be mini lineups as well, where you would be buying/grinding pairs of vehicles instead of one.
I mean, lets be honest. High rank premium vehicles are at price of a full game, it wouldnt hurt to throw another vehicle into the package.
Or it could work like test drives for vehicles within ±0.3 BR. You would periodically get those by playing high rank vehicle, until you unlock another one in ±0.3 BR range. (you could get more of those in premium account)
Given how much effort they are spending on high rank vehicles lately, its a shame that so few people play them.
I think you should be allowed to leave before spawning and not recive crew lock. Your postiin could be replaced by players who have joined active games enabled. This will help cancel out negative effects of players ODL
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The maps are ruined so I quit before about a third of the maps begin, quit after 1 death for another third. Very little motivation left to play.
I only play up to 6-7 at the most and I will ODL if I am in the mood. Its not about cost or anything.
Mostly the uptier causes me to bug out especially now many WW2 tanks jumped to 6.0 BR and I am forced to play 7BR.Just not interested in it for certain vehicles.
WW2 vs 80s is just not for me whatever anybody else’s opinion may be so when my Tiger is one shotted by an M109 artillery piece which Gaijin spammed the game with I just go. If I spawn in a WW2 tank and everybody else is in a 50 MPH vehicle I just go because they will be 3 kills down before I even get to the battle. It’s just bullshit I am not prepared to endure in a game that is meant to be fun so I quit and moved onto the next game or just quit and play another game or whatever.
I presume it’s no big deal to Gaijin so I fail to see why it should be a big deal to anybody else. Within a short time many are out anyway as you only have two respawns so who cares? No point being fodder for CAS or the uptier which is now so many years in advance of your vehicle quite often. I don’t even find it allows for skill anymore it is just pure random and luck.
ODL is like spawn camping, it’s not illegal its part of the game yet we have that silly crew lock. It’s like Gaijin are fine to punish you but not take time to make a game that you want to stay into the end.
If they want ODL to not be an issue, then make dying trivial. Scrap vehicle cost,stop punishing people for playing.
Let players use all of their lineup before exiting the game. Make the games longer with a visible game timer so travelling on second spawn is worthwhile.
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You may know all ready but game timer is top left when you open map or look at score board
This would interfere with two mechanics in the game.
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The game is won by destroying your opponents tanks until they cannot spawn anything, so you get numbers advantage and you are able to push and overwhelm the enemy. If another player would be able to replace you, after you leave, kills would feel pointless, as there would be more and more people coming. It would also increase average match time because of that and games would drag on forever.
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If you would be replacing leaving player, you could be put in already disadvantageous position without a chance to prevent it. You would also have lower chance of achieving goals of many battle tasks for battlepass. The only reason, why there is option to join ongoing battle, is because to be able to find a game more quickly with chance of it to already started a few seconds ago.
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Bad idea. This would lead to players just leaving in full uptiers. Probably most of players would be abusing this if there was no crew lock.
I meant only SL cost free, not Spawn Points, that would be too much like you said.
On point 1, it would happen before your spawn, ie game start and not to be used to replace players that have spawned, 2 you dont have to have the option enabled
happening anyway, 5 to 9 in rew crew lock is not a deterrent especially if you grind more that 1 nation. Also crew lock is a punishment because gaijin broke the game
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If something is intended game design that would benefit player doing it, they are going to abuse it to max, so by allowing players to decide if they want to stay in battle or give MM another try with same nation to have better BR spread, they will pick second option. Also not all people have enabled joining in started battle. Also people, who would replace those who left, can disconnect as well if they have been uptiered without punishment, so in the end you can easily end up with half lobby gone as there is limit how long you can replace someone.
If you have 8.0-9.0 BR match, people with 8.0 and 8.3 will just leave to try queue again. MM will not put more 9.0 into battle as there is limit how much there can be. New 8.0 and 8.3 replacement players will probably leave as well. So only 8.7 would probably stay as they are in good position BR.
And I do not count on people who will leave because of map, as there are a lot of crappy maps.
Crew lock is some discourage for people playing one nation and for people who wants to grind specific vehicles. I believe most people grind one nation at the time because more nation you grind the slower progress is and you will be stuck at specific BRs for long time and it gets repetitive really fast.
Even players grinding multiple nations have some limit on leaving battles before spawn. If they get multiple crappy battles in row, with last nation without crew lock they will probably stay.
If there was no crew lock for leaving before spawn, I would abuse it a lot by leaving every winter map, foggy map or any other visibility disadvantageous map I get.
Crew lock and no other nation literally means you cant play Warthunder and that is not what the game makers want,you cant play so you turn it off and go or play something else.
They also do not want you to leave battle too soon. That is why crew lock is implemented the way it is. I personally do not care as I play one tank lineups so crew lock does not affect me.
Crew lock wont stop you leaving it is just a punishment and paying players dont pay to be punished or lectured by game makers.WT is not my only game,it is fighting many others for my time,attention and most importantly, money .
WT has no competition in its genre. So people who are interested in this genre has nowhere to go. That is why Gaijin does not have to care so much that you have to wait with crew lock. Because they know those people will wait and still buy premium vehicles.
A 1000 games ,i play fallout more recently after BR changes
Good for you, doesn’t change a thing for Gaijin.