Yet it shrimply won’t be in the case of Germany the dutch line will eventually get a 2a8
What im saying is its okay as is. Some upgrades are not needed.
The OFL 120 F1 is equivalent to a 3BM60 shell with a faster reload than the T80 that uses it.
Ans yes, the connon may be the same, but german DM53 is used in leopards and the leclerc autolader was designed around its own shell, not the germans.
Okay, is there actually a practical difference between F1/DM53 in game that makes you go, “damn, if only i had DM53 instead of F1”? Because back when i spaded my A5 i personally did not feel a huge difference going from DM33 to DM53.
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Technically F1 is just dm43 lmao it’s a German shell
From Leclerc’s gun:
OFL F1 penetration at 100m: 574mm
DM53 penetration at 100m: 645mm
Now:
T-80U, UK, U-E1, U-E2 UFP: 620mm
OFL can’t penetrate
DM53 can penetrate
Challenger 2 UFP: 560mm KE
OFL can barely penetrate
DM53 can penetrate
Type 10 composite modules: 570mm KE
OFL can’t really penetrate
DM53 can penetrate
Significantly more reliable against trolly side Russian ERA
And a few more cases, so there’s a big difference, yep.
Hear me out. Don’t shoot the era 🤷♀️
Really? Is this what the argument is devolving into now?
you really try to shoot trough the UFP on tanks ?? I honestly cant identify tanks fast enough to make that choice. Im always shooting lower plate-> breach below gun-> driver port (in that order) on all tanks
tbh, i have no idea i see them to rarely
That’s not the point. Someone asked whether there was a practical penetration difference and I gave out some examples where it does.
A DM53 was never used in in a leclerc and the EMBT’s architecture was even designed to eventually be compatible with the newer ASCALON gun system, rather than adopting the German L55/DM53 setup. The French have also kept the OF shells rather than DM. So historically, it isnt accurate.
Another MAJOR factor is the FCS. It was designed around the OF series. That means the laser rangefinder uses the mass, drop, ect. The FCS would need an update. Which it doesnt have.
Why would you AIM FOR UFP???
wasnt trying dismissing your point , just surprised
Like I said, that’s. Not. The. God. Damn. Point.
Like I said, someone asked whether there was a practical penetration difference and I gave out some examples where it does
Since you ask, shots don’t always fall exactly where you intend when both you and the enemy are on the move at high speeds.
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I know, but the challengers LFP is GIANT and for soviet MBTs, aiming for the autoloader isnt hard. A shell equivalent to 3BM60 is fine. Especially with the 5 second reload
Oh my God…
Look, I simply want EMBT to feel like what’s suppossed to be; the new pinnacle of their respective tech trees. And it can’t feel that way when you have to go around with a firepower much worse than the majority of vehicles of its entire BR range.
Otherwise, it’s barely a sidegrade at best instead of the upgrade it’s suppossed to be. Still cool, but not nearly as cool as it could be.
The only way in which I could be FULLY onboard with F1 is if there were strong realistic/historical arguments for it, which this is pretty close to achieving:
And the 2A7V should have DM73… but it doesnt? I understand how it is supposed to feel but not giving the vehicle unfair advantages. Imagine a DM53 at a constant 5 second reload
We have M829A3 at a constant 5 second reload in 3 tanks
We have M829A2 at a constant 5 second reload in 3 tanks that are a much lower BR
We have DM53 at a constant 5 second reload in 5 tanks that are much, much lower BRs
We have close DM53 equivalents at constant 5 second reload, and even 4 second, with multiple other tanks
It’s far from unheard of and hardly “an unfair advantage”.
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No historical evidence. Purely strong realistic. Again i can bring up the DM73 for 2A7V and a APFSDS belt for the BMPT/BMD. Theres a lot of “strong realistc” factors.
A ariete has no armor. At all. Under any circumstances. So thats why the PSO gets it at a 5 second reload if the crew is ACED with a max loader
The abrams has lower pen than a DM53 and again, only for a aced crew with a max loader.
It still is. Having the hull armour of a Leopard 2A7V rather than a leclerc? Yeah thats a good step up already. Add a undisputed shell makes it so much more powerful. And a 5 second reload no matter the crew? Yeah. An unfair advantage.
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And that’s why they are 11.7 xD
EMBT is 12.7, as well as the many other tanks with 5s reloads with DM53 equivalents (many of which Briton 12.0-12.3)